How a “Welded-to KDE 3.5 User” Began a Move to KDE 4.4 - Part 1
<h2>Introduction</h2>
Well I have done what I swore I would never do: I have managed to get KDE 4.4 to work for me on openSUSE 11.3. I always intended to move to either Xfce or Gnome once openSUSE 11.1 (which runs KDE3.5) ceased to be supported, however about three days ago I decided to try KDE 4.4 again and really see if I could make it work. At this stage the reader should be aware that I am not a software programmer, nor a person who really knows the “innards” of a Linux computer. I have used Linux as my sole desktop for the past 10 years and I equate myself with an experienced driver who could change spark plugs, oil, tires, light bulbs etc., but would never contemplate the thought of replacing a cam-shaft. |
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Article's format is messed up @ 1024x768
The graphics are static-sized, and all but the TurboPrint are more than 700 in width. This is what is causing the error in wrapping, as the LXer side-bar on the right is also static sized and overlaps.
The same thing happens when someone puts in a comment URL that is "too long" and causes the main text body to render as larger than the display window minus the static right-side-bar.
No left-right scroll bar comes up either, which is the greatest annoyance.
If the graphics that are displayed by default could be scaled back to 500 wide, rather than 700+, maybe as links to the full sized graphic, that would solve it.
Back on topic: Also tested with Konqeuror and looks fine! Only Konqueror takes much longer to load the png's it seems.
I still have nightmares...
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9 earlier comments in the full thread.
Always glad to be of service, Hans. :)
However, the worst dependency hell I ever came across was the result. Took days of configuring, compiling, failing, configuring again, another error, and then I gave up. Removed everything KDE3 (I thought) and emerged 4. I thought I was all set and done!
Then, 'backwards compability' kicked in, some applications only indirect linked to KDE3 were still there. For about a year some applications have been wanting to pull in the full QT3 eco-system which I painstakingly removed. Only recently, this has stopped and I'm free of the nightmare of trying to separate KDE3/ 4 in the sometimes chaotic environment that is 'portage'.
Thankyou for all the constructive comments. I found myself in agreement with many of them but withheld from returning any comments until I had checked with LXer's "powers that be" about the protocols of comments and using my pen-name. I obviously don't want to say too much because I don't want to reveal Part II and my final conclusions, however I will say that Part II is now in the final stages of production and will be out very soon and almost certainly early next week if all goes to plan.
One thing I can say is that I have, over the past year or so, tinkered with KDE4 in its versions, but each time it was a "brief play about" until I got pretty disgusted with what was happening and dumped it. I never on any of those occasions actually put my data in place and began to use it properly ~ I just didn't see the point since I considered the software unusable. However I always thought that KDE4 might, just might get to the "useful tip-over point" around version 4.5, so when the latest openSUSE came out, I decided to get thoroughly serious and actually find out if KDE4.4 would work if I had to rely on it as my sole desktop. Until you do that, anything you say is really only observing from the sidelines ~ you have to put on the uniform and boots and get "down and dirty" if you want to properly understand the game of football from the player's perspective. So I did. I have now been using KDE4.4 as my sole desktop for about 5 weeks and I am coming to grips with its good and bad sides, and it very definitely has both in my opinion.
It's been very revealing and confirmed many pre-held concepts, but shifted or removed others. One thing I will say at this stage is that I have found KDE4.4 to be far more difficult to administer than KDE3.5. My daughter has read Part I and while she admits she could not understand much of the terminology, she has told me quite clearly that she would not (and I stress she uses computers extensively in her daily work and has her own Linux laptop), ever like to go near anything that I did to accomplish my results.
For "Hkwint", one of the most infuriating things that happened to me during this whole process was the installation of a package called DeVeDe which I treasure because it is a GUI package that allows me to convert avi files into standard dvd's playable on any commercial dvd player. I had a dependency hell. Eventually, I forced DeVeDe installation and it then told me it was lacking certain files when I started it up......One by one, those files were put in place until I got to the last two. One was "libMagickCore1-6.4.5.4-15.1.i586.rpm" and the other was "libMagickWand1-6.4.5.4-15.1.i586.rpm", both readily available over the internet. So using Dolphin, I clicked on libMagickCore and once YaST started up, I got told that I could not install this file without libMagickWand. So I went back and started the installation of libMagickWand, only to be told I could not install this file without libMagickCore ...........you could see this Catch 22 coming couldn't you ?
Eventually what I did was to tell YaST to go ahead and install that first file and break dependencies.....which it did. Then I installed the second file and this time it simply went ahead and was happy. Then to make doubly sure, I went back and reinstalled the first file......it was happy too. DeVeDe then decided it was happy as well.
Now all of that is normally not encountered if Packman is running properly.........Stand by for what happened.
Thanks for the article, and looking forward to the next one.
Screwups like 'mutual dependencies' ought to be reported as a bug ASAP I suggest! Usually they're pretty easy to solve, and prevent lots of user-headaches.
That said, here are some additional rants: 1. Why did they neuter Konqueror as a file manager, but neglect to give Dolphin the ability to split the window more than once. 2. Since Kontact now runs off a server backend, why can't you share the same address book and calendar with multiple computers? Why doesn't Korganizer support shared calendars? Does NO KDE developer have a desktop and a laptop or perhaps a spouse they want to share a calendar with?
And finally, a tip: Newly discovered drives show up in the places toolbar in Konqueror and Dolphin, so if what you want to do with them is open them in a filemanager, and you already have one open, it only takes one click.
Things like Konqueror being neutered, and Dolphin not living up to what Konqueror once was. Little cosmetic things like the left hand panel icons getting bigger or smaller when one resizes the LH panel - I can see the icons, thank you very much, what I want is to be able to read the text better, Stupid idiotic things like including the terminal inside Dolphin - I don't want my terminal trapped inside the file manager, I want a terminal that can be opened from the file manager, in the same file system context, but I want them free to go their separate ways (and the scary thing is Nautilus Elementary copies this dumb idea). The fact that it seems so restrictive. I can add all sorts of things to the current GNOME desktop, and really make it mine. I can't do that with KDE4, and I'm afraid GNOME is going the same way.
And for Tracyanne, I also thoroughly and emphatically agree about Dolphin and Konqueror; Part II is on its way and again, "all will be revealed" - including some more on the DE environments.
One thing that is remarkably constant in this discussion is that even from avowed defenders such as Hkwint, there is agreement that KDE4 has defects. It is very, very frustrating at the moment, but my fingers are "blindfolded".....I would dearly like to say much more, but there's only another few days and part II will be out.
Even on Windows, better versions are available! I had a Windows version which could calculate if you could still solve your game, and you could use the keyboard to 'navigate' (1-8 for rows and a-d for stacks, h for 'home'). Nice thing was, it could calculate if you could still solve your game. Think I even got it legal, though not sure I have to admit, and I forgot the name, as I recently deleted it.
Nowadays I use KPat, on my system it has a green background. Whether you like the graphical design is a personal issue I guess.
Yes, I know there are supposedly "better" versions available, and in KDE3.5's KPat, there is a pretty good version of Freecell which works very well. If I didn't have the antique Win98SE version, that's what I'd be playing. There was a comment on LXT with respect to this very thing which went along the lines of "more modern and updated is not necessarily better" and personally, I don't really care to be told in advance that I cannot win - I like to find out for myself (frustrated or not) and restart the game.
Really, it all boils down to this: "If that ancient and simple version of Freecell is what I prefer and I (and my family) are very happy with it, why not ? If you like the bells and whistles updated version and are happy with it, why not ? Each of us has a choice and in FOSS, personal choice really does count."
In any event, the most important part of the Freecell episode was to demonstrate how to get a Wine operated piece of software running happily in KDE4.4 and the "glitch" that "self-removed".
Of course, I've been playing FreeCell using wine for years as well. Recently, kpat came so close to mimicking the old Win98 / fcpro version, I decided to get rid of Fcpro6.exe.
Anyway, I'm glad there are more die-hard freecellers! I've always felt having or not having a decent FreeCell program is important for a distro, and at first I didn't even know it was in KDE. Because who cares about dependency hell, FreeCell is much more important!
However you have really excited my interest. I have not heard of Fcpro6.exe........???????????????????
You have seen what I have done which is the old freecell.exe and cards.dll.......but yours sounds very, very interesting.......Okay, you have whetted my appetite........please give.
FC Pro is here: http://www.solitairelaboratory.com/fcpro.html
Be sure to read the rest of the website as well, the FAQ is great! It shows you the one game of the Microsoft 32k which can't be solved (if you ever encounter that one) and offers solutions for many games, in standard notation. Moreover, you can save games, change the number of free cells (3 cells is enough to save about any game) and so on. There's also statistics like number of moves needed, hints and so on. Best of all, it uses the original CARDS.DLL.
It's "freeware", nowhere is a license mentioned. Hence, if you don't have a valid Windows-license it's probably "more legal" than running the MS one. It runs great in wine, I've been using this for five years on Linux I think.
Quoting:My Mom wouldn't switch to Linux until I found Penguin Freecell.
I had a similar problem. My mom couldn't do without hearts. There wasn't any good hearts game for Linux (except an old KDE one) so I wrote this: http://www.jejik.com/gnome-hearts/
Now development work on PySol stopped in 2004, and eventually PySol was deprecated and removed from the Debian/Ubuntu/anyother debian based distro repositories. However, pysol has been forked and is now available as http://pysolfc.sourceforge.net/ PySolFC, and is once again under development, with a number of bug fixes and new development, PySolFC is available in the Debian, and derivatives repositories.
I highly recommend PySolFC to any Solitaire lover.
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