Review: 12.04, precisely what was needed.
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Lady Gaga uses linux
8 earlier comments in the full thread.
[chorus]
Can't hack my, Can't hack my
No, you can't hack my Linux box (I've got Ubuntu, baby)
Can't hack my, Can't hack my
No, you can't hack my Linux box (I've got Ubuntu, baby)
L-l-l-linux box, l-l-linux box (Mum mum mum mah) L-l-l-linux box, l-l-linux box (Mum mum mum mah)
Quoting:Ok so i used artistic license, i don't know if she does any more or not but it made for a good side-note, no harm intended.
By checking the date, I didn't mean that the article you reference is old, but that it is an obvious April Fool's joke.
Of course Ubuntu, itself, seems singularly determined to become an April Fool's joke, so maybe it is still appropriate to quote the lady gaga article.
I have the honor of, honestly, not being sure that I have ever heard her singing.
I've been a Tony Bennett fan for a long time, and a Lady Gaga fan for a while
Lady's got a boatload of talent.
I have trouble seeing how a boatload of talent is a pity.
many of the greatest artists through the ages did some "crap" on their way up.
How about free samples like the drug dealers do. A free Linux Computer delivered to every star's dressing room. We can charge them once they are hooked
Reasonable minds can disagree - with anyone but me, that is - but I think she's been on her way up for quite some time. I loved "Edge of Glory" and took special pleasure in her inclusion of the late Clarence Clemons.
Does it make a difference, either way?
Ubuntu no longer a flag bearer for Linux
19 earlier comments in the full thread.
My answer is necessarily colored by my personal experience, but in my mind Ubuntu held the "standard-bearer" position from the Dapper Drake release -- the project's first LTS -- in 2006 until (depending on your point of view) either the 9.10 release (2009) or 10.04 release -- or as far as the 11.04 release (2011).
My personal view is that Ubuntu was the "flag bearer" from 2006-2011 -- pretty much six years. That's eons in Linux time.
As trivial as it sounds, flipping the buttons from right to left was an ominous sign. Packing LTS releases with barely-beta features (Ubuntu One, Gwibber/beam and social menu in 10.04, Unity and HUD in 12.04) totally undercuts Ubuntu's mission to provide enterprise-ready desktops. The focus on TV, tablet and mobile products that never seem to really gain any traction takes the focus off of desktop Linux even more.
While I think Unity is a good decision for Canonical the company, and to a lesser extent for Ubuntu the project, it separates Ubuntu from what we think of as a community-driven Linux distribution. Canonical may succeed as a company with its current strategy, but it will be as a maker of OSes for devices and not as the so-called standard bearer for desktop Linux (for whatever that's worth; and that's obviously not much).
And Mint is grabbing all of that mind-share anyway. I see a lot of fragmentation as other distributions rise in popularity among both hardcore users and new users.
Ubuntu is definitely not the standard bearer at this point.
On the bright side, I like what Ubuntu Server is doing -- long-term support, bringing more features to the table that enterprise customers want, etc.
But on the desktop? The window (no pun intended) is open for another distribution to grab the "standard-bearer" crown. Right now I think that distro is Mint. But it's a wide-open race.
(I discovered fairly early on -- at least by mid-2007 -- that Debian wasn't that much harder to install than Ubuntu, posed many fewer problems with the slower release cycle, and ran the same GNOME desktop appreciably faster.)
Ubuntu may be able to climb out of the hole it's dug itself into, but I really don't think it wants to do that.
Question: Is this good for Linux? No. There's clearly a need for an easy-to-install-use-and-love distribution with a huge, helpful community like Ubuntu. Debian, as much as I love it, Arch and Slackware are NOT candidates for newbie-friendly introduction to Linux.
I still see this as Mint's opportunity to dominate. But this is a volatile situation, one rife with opportunity. Still, I'd bet on Mint.
At one end of the spectrum, it refers to military tradition, in which bearing the flag was not only a post of honour, but a vital task in action. The flag bearer accompanied the units commanding officer(s), provided orientation for manoeuvres and taking position for battle, a rallying point in the confusion of battle, and reassurance that functioning leadership was alive (and still present) in the thick of battle. Flag-bearers often needed their own guard because it was a common tactic to target the flag-bearers, so that the enemy would be disheartened by its fall and disappearance from view. In a hard battle a unit might go through several flag-bearers, as replacements would have to take the place of the last poor bugger who had that job. Loss of one's flag was often the consequence of defeat, a trophy to the victor, and an affront to honour otherwise.
At the other end of the spectrum, a flag-bearer is just some guy with strong arms, at the head of some group or organizational cohort marching down the street in the Labour Day parade.
So, is every one talking about the same thing?
But if it never had been, we wouldn't bother discussing the matter, either.
(edit: for clarity, tone)
Had that strategy caused money to pour into Canonical, things very well might have continued in that spirit and with that enthusiasm.
But it didn't. And Canonical is looking for ways to turn a buck. Nothing wrong with that. But the community seems like a free-labor-providing, endlessly cheerleading afterthought. Relationships with upstream projects are strained or broken (I'm mostly talking about GNOME). Canonical is looking a lot more like Apple. That's great if you love Apple and its relationship with its customers. But it's not a community.
GNOME 3 running off the rails a bit didn't help matters, nor did Ubuntu's decision to roll out its own crazy, half-finished desktop. Odd all around.
I consider this a very troubling time for Linux on the desktop.
I used to be concerned now I try to be relaxed.
When gnome 3 and unity hit I worried a lot about which desktop I would use. Nowadays I care a lot less. I use Cinnamon, Gnome Classic or Mate depending on mood and it makes little difference.
The big thing holding openSUSE back was the community attitude to the deal between Novell and Microsoft, which was understandable. With Novell relegated to history that should no longer be an issue.
That the problem, yes. And neither Slackware nor Arch can become that, as that's not their focus. Caitlyn is correct, Debian is far more newbie friendly than it used to be, but I'm not sure it's enough, and how much of that was driven by Ubuntu's success?
We do need a newbie friendly desktop distro that's community oriented. It's obvious that Ubuntu is no longer going to provide it. Who will, if anyone?
> We do need a newbie friendly desktop distro that's community oriented. It's obvious that Ubuntu is no longer going to provide it. Who will, if anyone?
Linux Mint.
While caitlyn's own opinion above is that the most likely candidate to capture mindshare right now certainly "isn't Mint", I actually agree much more with Steven_Rosenber and others that it's a better bet Linux Mint actually COULD be this likely candidate.
I think we can all agree that according to Distrowatch.com, Linux Mint is VASTLY more popular than all the other distros..... the fully self-acknowledged LINUX distros that is ;). So much for capturing mindshare. I also think that Linux Mint has effectively supplanted Ubuntu as being one of the top newbie friendly and community oriented desktop distros.
+2 Steven_Rosenber (for his first two insightful comments on this thread) and
+2more (non-CentOS) cents
The reason I say it could be ROSA Desktop is best expressed in this article: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/04/20/5-user-friendly-applica... They bring something new to the table and this is just the beginning for them.
If they were to concentrate their excellent efforts on the Debian edition then that in my opinion would be a good move.
Quoting:If they were to concentrate their excellent efforts on the Debian edition then that in my opinion would be a good move.
I agree, Koriel.
I also noticed ROSA pushed their release back from today until Sunday. Releasing only when it's ready? What a novel concept! That should definitely help.
Quoting:today is the Ubuntu 12.04 release date, id imagine it because they don't want their release overshadowed (get your flamethrowers out Linux fans)
Perhaps there will be several written pieces appearing here within the week, containing all the detailed reviews and features anyone would ever want to know about Ubuntu 12.04, Kubuntu 12.04, Xubuntu 12.04, Lubuntu 12.04, Edubuntu 12.04, ...etcetera.
The DistroWatch homepage already fully lists all these 'buntus' Distribution Release announcements.
Ubuntu 12.4 still needs some Tender loving care
As well, when some applications appear long running, one cannot cancel them. There seems to be a problem with trapping mouse clicks.
Leslie
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