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How to Restore Ctrl + Alt + BackSpace In Ubuntu Jaunty
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18 earlier comments in the full thread.
So, caitlyn, you like GDM?
Yes, I like GDM. I was also surprised to see that the latest Mandriva has a version of KDM with multilingual support. I thought that was forever broken in KDM but apparently it is no longer so.
lol. I guess I'm one of the odder ones here then.
I do pure text console login then use scripts that dynamically replace my .xinitrc to launch the de of my choice.
startX for xfce, startF for fluxbox, startK for KDE, etc. :P
Then if I do something that totally screws up X and I do ctrl-alt-bk it happily drops me back to my console.
Then if I do something that totally screws up X and I do ctrl-alt-bk it happily drops me back to my console.
There is still the wonderful old trick to use X without a WM at all too.
X :1 -ac -terminate & DISPLAY=:1 $whatEVERappYOUwantedGUIfor &
I use 1 out of habit as I usually already have an X session on :0
Describing how to and when you might want to use that or a variation on that command is the topic of an upcoming how-to. Plus some odd things I have found in doing things with that.
X :1 -ac -terminate & DISPLAY=:1 $whatEVERappYOUwantedGUIfor &
I use 1 out of habit as I usually already have an X session on :0
Describing how to and when you might want to use that or a variation on that command is the topic of an upcoming how-to. Plus some odd things I have found in doing things with that.
techiem2: If you only use one language that isn't a problem. If you really need to change language and locale it is. Yes, that can be scripted. Have you ever taken a look at the scripts that underly gdm? It's all bash so you should be able to look at it and see what doing what you suggest on a multilingual system would mean.
I started my career in a very international industry. Different departments supporting different parts of the world where we had significant business had to have native speakers and, later on, computers running that language. My own family is multilingual and for some languages (think non-Latin glyphs written right to left) it's just plain easier to deal with everything set for that language than trying to go back and forth.
I'm older too but I recognize that in some cases the command line is NOT the best or easiest way to go. I realize that's heresy to some but I still believe that different tools suit different needs.
I started my career in a very international industry. Different departments supporting different parts of the world where we had significant business had to have native speakers and, later on, computers running that language. My own family is multilingual and for some languages (think non-Latin glyphs written right to left) it's just plain easier to deal with everything set for that language than trying to go back and forth.
I'm older too but I recognize that in some cases the command line is NOT the best or easiest way to go. I realize that's heresy to some but I still believe that different tools suit different needs.
> I do pure text console login then use scripts that dynamically replace my .xinitrc to launch the de of my choice.
Slackware has a tool to do that for you, xwmconfig. Run it, select your desired desktop, then run startx.
Slackware has a tool to do that for you, xwmconfig. Run it, select your desired desktop, then run startx.
Sigh. Once again a perfectly good snark thread has been derailed into a useful technical thread. I tell ya, you Lxerers are incorrigible.
Yep, Slackware does. I wrote a How-To for changing languages and locales in Slackware. It's anything but simple. See: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/01/making-slackware-and-de...
I like a lot of things about Slackware. Somtimes their "keep it simple" approach means simple for the developer and a royal pain you know where for the user. This is a perfect example.
I like a lot of things about Slackware. Somtimes their "keep it simple" approach means simple for the developer and a royal pain you know where for the user. This is a perfect example.
Yeah, tc, we're terrible. I started out snarky and look where I've ended up... It just goes to prove: "When there's a Will there's also a Tom, a Dick, and a Harry."
(Let's see who gets the reference this time.)
(Let's see who gets the reference this time.)
Sounds like Mae West :)
The Doctor (seventh) from Doctor Who. Episode: "Time and the Rani"
Just remember, "time and tide melts the snowman."
Just remember, "time and tide melts the snowman."
This is impossible! Starts with a:
Snark ->> Serious Discussion ->>> Useful Input ->>>> Solutions!!
That's NOT the LXer Way, with endless off topic posts and stepping over the TOS line as exhibited with fruitless Gas Attacks. Haven't any of you heard of Entropy?
How has this Forum thread gone so wrong? I am in despair for what the future may hold ...
YBT
Snark ->> Serious Discussion ->>> Useful Input ->>>> Solutions!!
That's NOT the LXer Way, with endless off topic posts and stepping over the TOS line as exhibited with fruitless Gas Attacks. Haven't any of you heard of Entropy?
How has this Forum thread gone so wrong? I am in despair for what the future may hold ...
YBT
Quoting:Snark ->> Serious Discussion ->>> Useful Input ->>>> Solutions!!
They haven't told you LXer doesn't support displaying that the correct way (right to left) because of localization problems, did they?
Quoting:I will say I prefer a graphical login, on a first login after an install it tells me the graphics card stands a chance of working decently..if it bumps me to a shell, lookout..
In theory, I agree. However, this is harsh practice all too often:
I boot Ubuntu, Fedora or whatever doesn't work for me. It starts graphical login, but graphics don't work; some garbled screen is shown and I can't login. I try to use Ctrl+Alt+Backspace or Ctrl+Fx to find error messages, but that doesn't as X is immediately respawn. Or worse, since Xorg really børked* my system; and even my monitor goes back and forth between 'on' and standby and not any key combination can change that, except holding down the power button. Open/Net/FreeBSD, nor even Windows _ever_ did such a thing! Only 'Linux' (May I add another point for 'no' to general Linux marketing please?)
Ah, then it's nice to just starting with a console - because the thing always works - and then trying to start X. So a graphical login would be a good idea given that graphics work. However, if graphics don't work, than a graphical login is both a hindrance to Linux adoption (people cannot start using Linux at all; if they received CLI that would be better than the monitor powering of I guess) and debugging.
*Please note, I don't have a clue about localization, and the ø is done using the only cross-platform way of localization which I'd like to patent as of right now, which is going to WP, typing 'Danish', choosing for Danish language, finding such an ø and using Ctrl+C / Ctrl + V. This method has also worked for € the last year before I finally got my multi-key working (how stupid can a Gentoo user be?). I bet it might even be supported on Mac even if I never used one.
Yeah, I don't have to deal with localization since it's my personal boxes.
Of course mom's box logs into a dm.
@Hans: I think you've been bitten by Ubuntu's "Bulletproof X" which IMHO is one of the worst features to ever make it into Ubuntu. When X borks or fails you should get an ncurses window with the error output and drop back to the commandline so you can fix it. Only on Ubuntu does X tries to restart automatically after a failure.
Probably you are correct Sander, IIRC that was Ubuntu. But it was not as bad as Fedora because I worked my way around it. However, I'm going to do a second attempt as I found out my nVidia 6600 card is supposed and tested to work with Fedora 11. Probably it has to do with the nouveau driver being default for Fedora 11 I guess.
@caitlyn,
GDM was actually a rewrite of KDM until they recently rewrote it. You could go inside the code and see line for line where KDM was copied across...there were a few gnomifications but mostly KDM.
KDM has been notoriously superior to GDM for quite some time. The rewrite of GDM really was overdue but they shot themselves in the foot again here by not giving end users the ability to theme it out of the gate.
That's why I am and always will be a happy KDE and XFCE user.
GDM was actually a rewrite of KDM until they recently rewrote it. You could go inside the code and see line for line where KDM was copied across...there were a few gnomifications but mostly KDM.
KDM has been notoriously superior to GDM for quite some time. The rewrite of GDM really was overdue but they shot themselves in the foot again here by not giving end users the ability to theme it out of the gate.
That's why I am and always will be a happy KDE and XFCE user.
@devnet: For a very long time KDM did NOT support language/locale switching in the login menu and GDM did. For some people, particularly outside the U.S. where monolingualism is not the norm, that was an essential and missing feature. To me that made KDM Intrinsically inferior. That has just *finally* been fixed after several years listed as a bug, When it takes years to fix basic functionality you simply cannot convince me that a project is in any way superior. If GDM is derivative of KDM it is one of many examples where the child project far surpassed the parent.
@devnet
There is a gdm daemon that controls the logins, and there is a gdm greeter front-end which has themes etc. The daemon took code from kdm, as you say, but the locale setting is a feature of front-end which did not take code from kdm as far as I know.
There is a gdm daemon that controls the logins, and there is a gdm greeter front-end which has themes etc. The daemon took code from kdm, as you say, but the locale setting is a feature of front-end which did not take code from kdm as far as I know.
Oh, and besides Ctrl+Alt+Backspace you can't change screen resolution anymore using Ctrl+Alt+Keypad +/- either. It's a rather freakin odd thing to omit.
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