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The Future of the Free Desktop in 1997
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Comments (22)
2 earlier comments in the full thread.
I really wonder where the "Gnome core will move to Mono" rumor comes from. Everything I've seen so far points in the exact opposite direction, but the rumor has cropped up in other threads here as well.
You gotta think that with all of the possible problems Mono has with Microsoft claiming it infringes...why they would elect to move to that for Gnome Core in the first place.
Sounds like selling a horse to buy a mule to me.
Sounds like selling a horse to buy a mule to me.
Do you have a link to anything from Microsoft claiming that Mono infringes any of its patents?
I haven't heard of any such claims.
No direct links because Mono hasn't developed into ASP.NET, ADO.NET...but if they do, would microsoft have sued?
Not now, thanks to the ScoVell deal.
http://tirania.org/blog/
Not now, thanks to the ScoVell deal.
http://tirania.org/blog/
Ummm....
It helps to have infringement before you sue.
And, so long as we're at it, why limit your scorn to mono? MIght as well heap it on Samba, Wine, the fat drivers, the ntfs compatibility, etc, etc, etc.
It helps to have infringement before you sue.
And, so long as we're at it, why limit your scorn to mono? MIght as well heap it on Samba, Wine, the fat drivers, the ntfs compatibility, etc, etc, etc.
Sure, why not :D
But there is always speculation that MONO infringes...there always has been. It's why it has a direct section at wikpedia addressing it.
But there is always speculation that MONO infringes...there always has been. It's why it has a direct section at wikpedia addressing it.
>But there is always speculation
There is always speculation about many things.
Elvis isn't dead, the government is hiding aliens, we didn't land on the moon, etc.
Some speculation is more sensible than others, but speculation is speculation. It ain't fact.
There is always speculation about many things.
Elvis isn't dead, the government is hiding aliens, we didn't land on the moon, etc.
Some speculation is more sensible than others, but speculation is speculation. It ain't fact.
Take a look at Utah, and tell me it isn't a dead ringer for the alleged moon photos. Hmph.
Utah may not be the moon, but it is at least a colony.
Quoting:You gotta think that with all of the possible problems Mono has with Microsoft claiming it infringes...why they would elect to move to that for Gnome Core in the first place.
Thing is, I have never seen anyone (with any standing in Gnome) say that the Gnome core will move to Mono. Everytime I try to find the source I find either FUD or Beagle/F-Spot (which are just applications running on Gnome, not Gnome core)
Sander -
And why everybody gets so up in arms about it is beyond me.
Mono is a free software project in every sense of the word, implementing a free and open standard. If nothing else, that would seem to put it miles ahead of anything java, which doesn't seem to draw anywhere near the scorn. Lest we forget, Sun, the origin of java, has not shown any special kindness toward free software.
And why everybody gets so up in arms about it is beyond me.
Mono is a free software project in every sense of the word, implementing a free and open standard. If nothing else, that would seem to put it miles ahead of anything java, which doesn't seem to draw anywhere near the scorn. Lest we forget, Sun, the origin of java, has not shown any special kindness toward free software.
> Utah may not be the moon, but it is at least a colony.
Which may help explain the actions of a certain cadre of space cadets in that region. ;-)
Which may help explain the actions of a certain cadre of space cadets in that region. ;-)
Quoting:Thing is, I have never seen anyone (with any standing in Gnome) say that the Gnome core will move to Mono.
I remember that not long ago there was some kind of discussion about choosing between Java and Mono for future base of Gnome. It's somewhat funny (Java and GNU??) but I do remember reading some news about it... No links at hand, though.
Pleeeeez $deity noooo, even though I am not a Gnome fan, I do not wish it the awful fate of basing it on Java. I would not wish that on my worst enemy. Licensing issues aside, Java is poo on wheels. Java is poo raised to the infinite power. The only people who like Java are Java coders. Users can't stand it for a host of reasons. I do hope it is just some silly baseless rumor and will never happen. Just say no to Java.
> I do hope it is just some silly baseless rumor and will never happen.
I don't think you have to worry. If Miguel had the say, Mono might be a real possibility, but not Java. If they were going to switch from C, I'd expect to switch to either Python or Ruby, based solely on what I've heard from people whose judgement I trust concerning those languages. IANAP :).
I don't think you have to worry. If Miguel had the say, Mono might be a real possibility, but not Java. If they were going to switch from C, I'd expect to switch to either Python or Ruby, based solely on what I've heard from people whose judgement I trust concerning those languages. IANAP :).
>I'd expect to switch to either Python or Ruby
Well, that would be one way kill the desktop. Python and ruby are both wonderful languages, but **cough** lickety-split performance ain;t a feature of either one.
Well, that would be one way kill the desktop. Python and ruby are both wonderful languages, but **cough** lickety-split performance ain;t a feature of either one.
Dino:
The best writeup I could find with a brief search outlining the anti-Mono side of things is here: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/mono
I don't think it's what you want, but I think it outlines the concerns fairly well.
The best writeup I could find with a brief search outlining the anti-Mono side of things is here: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/mono
I don't think it's what you want, but I think it outlines the concerns fairly well.
> but **cough** lickety-split performance ain;t a feature of either one.
It hasn't normally been considered a feature of Gnome either. :)
It hasn't normally been considered a feature of Gnome either. :)
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Not even good FUD.
I think the silly brouhaha over the Novell-Microsoft agreement has left me hypersensitive.
Oh well. Better than dead.