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tux500 is a pump-and-dump scam
Before you donate money to tux500.com, linux-blog.org, or lobby4linux.com, swing by and read this post. Over 30 links to evidence of repeated forum spam, linking to links they themselves placed, phoney car models, phoney thermometer pictures, and more! Comments are disabled while I attempt to wheather some kind of post attack. - sorry! |
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Comments (102)
I had no idea
13 earlier comments in the full thread.
I've exchanged messages with both Helios and Devnet here on LXer and received email from Helios several times over the past two years or so. In that time, I've seen no reason to doubt their honesty. I don't know Penguin Pete from a hole in the wall. Guess which one I'm going to trust.
I have no idea why this project is generating so much negativity. It's a simple Linux promotion donation. Yes, it's for a larger amount than normal. So what? Helios simply dreams bigger than most of us.
I have no idea why this project is generating so much negativity. It's a simple Linux promotion donation. Yes, it's for a larger amount than normal. So what? Helios simply dreams bigger than most of us.
The ironic part of that nasty article is that he just gave exposure to a whole bunch of sites about the project.
I'm with jdixon here. I'm absolutely amazed/appalled at the amount of negativity (and fairly nasty negativity like personal attacks) that I've seen.
I'm with jdixon here. I'm absolutely amazed/appalled at the amount of negativity (and fairly nasty negativity like personal attacks) that I've seen.
Nodough: Second. A dynamically generated image is hardly fake.
He is referring to the image as "static" - as if a dynamically-generated thermometer would somehow make it a legitimate image.
I'll have to refrain from further comment though.
He is referring to the image as "static" - as if a dynamically-generated thermometer would somehow make it a legitimate image.
I'll have to refrain from further comment though.
> I'll have to refrain from further comment though.
You're talking about disposition of that thermometer, and a secret plan to make it 3D dynamic I suppose :D
You're talking about disposition of that thermometer, and a secret plan to make it 3D dynamic I suppose :D
No no.
They're gonna ship a super special electric thermometer to us all that is satellite linked to the account!
Ya know, something just occurred to me...
To quote techiem2: "The ironic part of that nasty article is that he just gave exposure to a whole bunch of sites about the project."
This brings to mind something interesting, particularly the best method of spreading information: make a big deal about it... There was a fictional book at one time that got a TON of publicity (No, I can't remember the title) because it portrayed very graphical sexual violence. And everyone talked about how controversial it was, the book ended up on the Best Seller's lists for several weeks as people bought the book and read it to make up their own mind about whether it was controversial or not.
Even Kevin Smith jumped on this at the opening of Dogma, there were a bunch of protestors in front of the theater arguing that it was blasphemy, and Kevin Smith was spotted protesting with them until he was recognized and ran off.
Bottom line: You can't BUY this kind of publicity, but it CAN be created.
Finally I'll say this, with all that in mind, I am not going to say that these two know each other, or that these postings were planned; however, I think we can make good use of this publicity to support Tux500.
Also Mr. Parris, how about adding a comment to Pete's article with a link to http://www.indy500.com/news/story.php?story_id=8602
That should verify that the project is real, and completely de-bunk Pete's article.
To quote techiem2: "The ironic part of that nasty article is that he just gave exposure to a whole bunch of sites about the project."
This brings to mind something interesting, particularly the best method of spreading information: make a big deal about it... There was a fictional book at one time that got a TON of publicity (No, I can't remember the title) because it portrayed very graphical sexual violence. And everyone talked about how controversial it was, the book ended up on the Best Seller's lists for several weeks as people bought the book and read it to make up their own mind about whether it was controversial or not.
Even Kevin Smith jumped on this at the opening of Dogma, there were a bunch of protestors in front of the theater arguing that it was blasphemy, and Kevin Smith was spotted protesting with them until he was recognized and ran off.
Bottom line: You can't BUY this kind of publicity, but it CAN be created.
Finally I'll say this, with all that in mind, I am not going to say that these two know each other, or that these postings were planned; however, I think we can make good use of this publicity to support Tux500.
Also Mr. Parris, how about adding a comment to Pete's article with a link to http://www.indy500.com/news/story.php?story_id=8602
That should verify that the project is real, and completely de-bunk Pete's article.
Maybe I should clarify the last comments... I receive the News through RSS feeds, and on some of them I see the notes from Mr. Parris and others (e.g.: "DriveSavers Rescue New..." from 12:35pm EST today). I was thinking that a comment with the link, when sent across the RSS feeds should help the readers understand that the project is not a scam.
Quoting:Alternatively, he disabled comments before anyone was able to post.
It certainly looks like that is the case.
[quote]Why would he do that?{/quote]
Good question
>I have no idea why this project is generating so much negativity.
Generally when I see this kind of thing, I wonder whose ox is being gored.
I suppose there could be some "genuine" Linux types who take offense at people doing things they wouldn't do.
There could be "genuine" Linux types who revel in their geekdom and don't want to extend the benefits of free software far and wide. Needless to say, these are people who understand what free software is about.
There could also be other folks who know where their bread is buttered and have reason to see Linux kept in a small box.
There could also be a bunch of mean-spirited morons posing as any or all of the first three.
Generally when I see this kind of thing, I wonder whose ox is being gored.
I suppose there could be some "genuine" Linux types who take offense at people doing things they wouldn't do.
There could be "genuine" Linux types who revel in their geekdom and don't want to extend the benefits of free software far and wide. Needless to say, these are people who understand what free software is about.
There could also be other folks who know where their bread is buttered and have reason to see Linux kept in a small box.
There could also be a bunch of mean-spirited morons posing as any or all of the first three.
Well, since PenguinPete has taken down his 'comments' section, I'll post my response here. This is what I had attempted to post on his blog:
"Perhaps I'm confused by your article. Is your intention to uncover a scam or to rant against Devnet and Helios? Are you implying that they are involved directly in this scam and if so, what proof do you offer? If not, you appear to be a bit childish with your personal attack.
I too question whether this Tux500 fund appeal is real or a scam. Frankly, I think that the money would be far better spent assisting the developers to fine tune their distros and perhaps develop the codecs necessary to make linux a bit more appealing to the masses.
However, I do know Devnet and Helios from their work and their posts and do not find them to be controversial. Rather, I find them to have dedicated a great deal of time working with projects designed to improve linux and to have assisted many with their system problems. Therefore, I deeply regret the way you characterize them here."
"Perhaps I'm confused by your article. Is your intention to uncover a scam or to rant against Devnet and Helios? Are you implying that they are involved directly in this scam and if so, what proof do you offer? If not, you appear to be a bit childish with your personal attack.
I too question whether this Tux500 fund appeal is real or a scam. Frankly, I think that the money would be far better spent assisting the developers to fine tune their distros and perhaps develop the codecs necessary to make linux a bit more appealing to the masses.
However, I do know Devnet and Helios from their work and their posts and do not find them to be controversial. Rather, I find them to have dedicated a great deal of time working with projects designed to improve linux and to have assisted many with their system problems. Therefore, I deeply regret the way you characterize them here."
Dino, I vote for the last one. Cousins to the poor oppressed billionaires who keep trashing OLPC. Only they're not wealthy, which puts them in a permanently bad mood.
grymtooth: You'll have to direct your comments to Scott Ruecker - our Senior US Editor. As an external auditor of the Tux500 campaign, I have recused myself from reporting and exerting any editorial control over the Tux500 stories. Otherwise, I stand in conflict and risk damaging the integrity of both, LXer and Tux500.
Ah, well then if Mr. Ruecker happens to be reading this discussion, would it be possible to do the above-mentioned item?
grymtooth: I am sorry for not getting here sooner to answer you. I have just added my comment to the article lead.
It should have hit the news-wire with my comment already on it, to be honest it was hard to come up with something I could print in good taste. I am sorry. I will not let silence be construed as approval of what an article says, ever.
grymtooth, your idea got me over the "hump", an editorial comment that won't get me fired..
:-)
It should have hit the news-wire with my comment already on it, to be honest it was hard to come up with something I could print in good taste. I am sorry. I will not let silence be construed as approval of what an article says, ever.
grymtooth, your idea got me over the "hump", an editorial comment that won't get me fired..
:-)
I am going to state some facts:
Ken Starks is not a "scammer".
LXer is not a "scam" nor is Don Parris helping a "scammer".
To intimate that Ken or Don are taking part in willful illegal activities better watch what he says, because if he doesn't have any proof, what he just said is a crime. To Intimate that Don and/or LXer in general might be complicant won't help either.
I have been a colleague of theirs for almost two years now and if you think my writing is any good at all, it is because of the help I have received from Ken, Don and everyone else here at LXer. You are only as good as who you surround yourself with and I am surrounded by Eagles.
Ken Starks is My Friend..
MINE!!!!
yeah, I'm kinda pissed..
Ken Starks is not a "scammer".
LXer is not a "scam" nor is Don Parris helping a "scammer".
To intimate that Ken or Don are taking part in willful illegal activities better watch what he says, because if he doesn't have any proof, what he just said is a crime. To Intimate that Don and/or LXer in general might be complicant won't help either.
I have been a colleague of theirs for almost two years now and if you think my writing is any good at all, it is because of the help I have received from Ken, Don and everyone else here at LXer. You are only as good as who you surround yourself with and I am surrounded by Eagles.
Ken Starks is My Friend..
MINE!!!!
yeah, I'm kinda pissed..
> I am not going to say that these two know each other, or that these postings were planned; however,...
Good. Saying so would be a very bad idea, almost on par with the statements Pete's been making.
Having seen equivalent things in the past, I will grant that such actions are possible. However, I'm certain Helios would have nothing to do with it; and while I don't know Devnet as well, I don't have any reason to think he would either. As already noted, I don't know anything about Pete, so I can't speak as to his motivations.
I will say this. If Pete's acting, he's doing a very good job of it.
Good. Saying so would be a very bad idea, almost on par with the statements Pete's been making.
Having seen equivalent things in the past, I will grant that such actions are possible. However, I'm certain Helios would have nothing to do with it; and while I don't know Devnet as well, I don't have any reason to think he would either. As already noted, I don't know anything about Pete, so I can't speak as to his motivations.
I will say this. If Pete's acting, he's doing a very good job of it.
I wasn't trying to imply anything by my earlier posts.
I was just suggesting two possibilities: #1 That it is just mis-information/FUD/mud-slinging; or #2 that this could be used to the advantage of the project just like the publicity created from the controversy regarding (now that I found the book title) "American Psycho".
I don't know who would remember when the book was released, but just to use that as an example, the publicity created kept the book at the #1 spot for a long time.
I was just suggesting two possibilities: #1 That it is just mis-information/FUD/mud-slinging; or #2 that this could be used to the advantage of the project just like the publicity created from the controversy regarding (now that I found the book title) "American Psycho".
I don't know who would remember when the book was released, but just to use that as an example, the publicity created kept the book at the #1 spot for a long time.
> I wasn't trying to imply anything by my earlier posts.
And I didn't say you were. My comment was very carefully just as ambiguous as yours. :)
And I didn't say you were. My comment was very carefully just as ambiguous as yours. :)
So those were a couple of ambiguously stray comments...a duo if you will :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ambiguously_Gay_Duo#See_als...
lol...ok, we digress. :)
I think he re-enabled comments...I haven't tried because I'm pretty sure I'm IP blocked.
lol...ok, we digress. :)
I think he re-enabled comments...I haven't tried because I'm pretty sure I'm IP blocked.
Due Diligence
It would be nice if 'Penguin Pete' allowed posting on his blog. Or, at least, provided SOME way to contact him in a friendly manner.
I personally know many of the people involved in this effort. I'd suggest that pete (or even anyone interested in donating) do some fact checking.
It would be easy to confirm that this is legitimate with the racing team, unaffiliated sites or a number of other legitimate sources.
For Pete, if you are the huge supporter of OSS that you claim to be, I look forward to the retraction and nice apology that a minor amount of due diligence will result in. Better yet, given that you are a graphic artist, you can do something useful and contribute a logo!
For the rest that may be swayed by this sort of drivel or just not sure if they should contribute. Feel free to verify, find out that this is a REAL community effort, and then donate!
For Pete, if you are the huge supporter of OSS that you claim to be, I look forward to the retraction and nice apology that a minor amount of due diligence will result in. Better yet, given that you are a graphic artist, you can do something useful and contribute a logo!
For the rest that may be swayed by this sort of drivel or just not sure if they should contribute. Feel free to verify, find out that this is a REAL community effort, and then donate!
Am likely to be badly mistaken here, but am wondering HOW the instigator of the post will even be able to
* allow posting on his blog * provide some way to contact him in a friendly manner * provide a retraction or apology * do something considered useful by all, such as contributing a logo
Among the last of the two dozen responses in the thread prior to this over the last four hours (by grymtooth) raised some good points! Good, constructive ways to see this as a positive opportunity rather than simply a negative problem...... Thanks grymtooth ! :)
As was the case earlier before, the prior "I had no idea" thread looks to be another example of an instigator -- this time the actual one posting his own blog -- readily eliciting heated responses on LXer, all coming quickly to defend the tux500 movers and shakers. Two dozen responses in 4hrs! One alternate more-positive thought to the ones above, is itself based upon grymtooth's. Please realize that anyone visiting the instigator of the post's site will quickly view the three mover-and-shaker sites well-before the questionable links below the graph. As such, this affords some positive opportunity, as minimal as it may be, to get some positive facts on the campaign earlier rather than later, This before potentially damaging so-called "spin" on either side holds the viewer fast in its negative clutches.
Just another thought...... maybe now 4cents? :-)
ps, oops, just saw another separate neg-thread :( maybe too late?
* allow posting on his blog * provide some way to contact him in a friendly manner * provide a retraction or apology * do something considered useful by all, such as contributing a logo
Among the last of the two dozen responses in the thread prior to this over the last four hours (by grymtooth) raised some good points! Good, constructive ways to see this as a positive opportunity rather than simply a negative problem...... Thanks grymtooth ! :)
As was the case earlier before, the prior "I had no idea" thread looks to be another example of an instigator -- this time the actual one posting his own blog -- readily eliciting heated responses on LXer, all coming quickly to defend the tux500 movers and shakers. Two dozen responses in 4hrs! One alternate more-positive thought to the ones above, is itself based upon grymtooth's. Please realize that anyone visiting the instigator of the post's site will quickly view the three mover-and-shaker sites well-before the questionable links below the graph. As such, this affords some positive opportunity, as minimal as it may be, to get some positive facts on the campaign earlier rather than later, This before potentially damaging so-called "spin" on either side holds the viewer fast in its negative clutches.
Just another thought...... maybe now 4cents? :-)
ps, oops, just saw another separate neg-thread :( maybe too late?
I think he re-enabled comments...I haven't tried because I'm pretty sure I'm IP blocked.
Well if he has, no one's posting.
I think most people have gotten bored with him.
No, the comments simply disappeared again. I saw te comments appear, then vanish again.
Penguin Pete is a weenie
And a chicken, to boot. Disabling comments indeed! If you don't want to get flamed all to heck, don't say really really really really really stupid things on the Internet. Sheesh.
>don't say really really really really really stupid things on the Internet
Wait...when did this turn into a discussion on revoking my posting privileges?
Wait...when did this turn into a discussion on revoking my posting privileges?
And possibly committing libel as well.
Dino, your posting privileges are secure, especially now that you have an even lower-than-Enderle standard to point to for comparison.
Dino, your posting privileges are secure, especially now that you have an even lower-than-Enderle standard to point to for comparison.
> And possibly committing libel as well.
Could be worth putting some thought in. Especially because Helios' association with Komputers4kids could lead to read damages for K4K from PP's ramblings. Perhaps a friendly lawyer over at Groklaw could take a quick look and advise whether it's worth contacting a lawyer over this or it it probably won't be worth the trouble.
Could be worth putting some thought in. Especially because Helios' association with Komputers4kids could lead to read damages for K4K from PP's ramblings. Perhaps a friendly lawyer over at Groklaw could take a quick look and advise whether it's worth contacting a lawyer over this or it it probably won't be worth the trouble.
>And possibly committing libel as well.
Sounds like libel to me. He's accusing Helios, DevNet, and maybe the Rev of a conspiracy to commit fraud.
That's an accusation of a specific illegal act. If that ain't libel, I don't know what is.
Sounds like libel to me. He's accusing Helios, DevNet, and maybe the Rev of a conspiracy to commit fraud.
That's an accusation of a specific illegal act. If that ain't libel, I don't know what is.
> If that ain't libel, I don't know what is.
I've been think that all day, thanks for confurming. I'm sure that would come a real shock for Pete.... "Ah... But those posts are just 'virtual'."
I've been think that all day, thanks for confurming. I'm sure that would come a real shock for Pete.... "Ah... But those posts are just 'virtual'."
But is it libel if it's so ridiculous that no reasonable person could believe it? It might be treated as lame humor.
bigg -
That's an interesting question. One of the elements of libel is that it actually be of a nature to hurt somebody's reputation. If no reasonable person could believe it to be true, it may not be libel.
I don't think we have that problem here, however, because that reasonable person need not know Ken, and a reasonable person who does not know Ken could believe that there is fire where there is smoke.
That's an interesting question. One of the elements of libel is that it actually be of a nature to hurt somebody's reputation. If no reasonable person could believe it to be true, it may not be libel.
I don't think we have that problem here, however, because that reasonable person need not know Ken, and a reasonable person who does not know Ken could believe that there is fire where there is smoke.
The article is incoherent and pointless to where a reasonable person wouldn't even be sure WTF it's about. I think helios, devnet, and the Rev are safe. At least from this goofball.
I think he re-enabled comments...I haven't tried because I'm pretty sure I'm IP blocked.
I think I figured it out...
33 earlier comments in the full thread.
bigg -
You're right, of course. But, being a little slow, it only just occurred to me that hare-brainedness is actually one of the project's charms. It certainly is the one that would get reporters to drop a few lines about it.
You're right, of course. But, being a little slow, it only just occurred to me that hare-brainedness is actually one of the project's charms. It certainly is the one that would get reporters to drop a few lines about it.
Quoting:helios introduces himself as "Ken Starks"What is this world coming to? Next thing you know, tuxchick will be trying to pass herself off as "Carla Schroder".
bigg, it's safe to snark at the troll here since it doesn't send him any clicks.
Dammit SFN, that was a big secret. Now I'll have to tell my roomie, Pamela Jones, to find somewhere else to live since you blabbed!!
Dammit SFN, that was a big secret. Now I'll have to tell my roomie, Pamela Jones, to find somewhere else to live since you blabbed!!
Wait a min....
*cough-cough*
[higher-pitched voice]Wait a minute. I'M Pamela Jones![/higher-pitched voice]
*cough-cough*
[higher-pitched voice]Wait a minute. I'M Pamela Jones![/higher-pitched voice]
So am I supposed to be the alter-ego of helios or devnet?
:)
[quoet]What is this world coming to? Next thing you know, tuxchick will be trying to pass herself off as "Carla Schroder".[/quote]
Yeah, or me as... eh... uhm.... wait...
Spartacus?
Yeah, or me as... eh... uhm.... wait...
Spartacus?
Well, the next thing you know he'll figure out that jdixon is actually James Dixon, and that he lives in WV. Amazing what you can find out on the net, isn't it?
> helios introduces himself as "Ken Starks"
So, Ken 'discloses' his identity, while Penguin_Pete continues to hide behind his Penguin Pete nomer. My understanding is that he's holed up with the gophers somewhere in Iowa, but that could be misinformation too.
It's strange that Pete seems to have a rather pedestrian history of generic articles and help pieces on (when did a user not tout his Distro?) Linux. Suddenly decides he's going to be the defender of the masses of 'poor dumb' Linux users? The whole thing reeks of deceit.
So Penguin_Pete, these are the answers people really need to clear up. Does Pete really run Linux at all, Has Pete has been reading too many superman comics? Was he recently consigned to a mental facility? Is he getting something from the help MS fund? And, is Penguin_Pete a real person at all?
I know and trust Ken's credentials, but, Penguin_Pete? Not so much...
So, Ken 'discloses' his identity, while Penguin_Pete continues to hide behind his Penguin Pete nomer. My understanding is that he's holed up with the gophers somewhere in Iowa, but that could be misinformation too.
It's strange that Pete seems to have a rather pedestrian history of generic articles and help pieces on (when did a user not tout his Distro?) Linux. Suddenly decides he's going to be the defender of the masses of 'poor dumb' Linux users? The whole thing reeks of deceit.
So Penguin_Pete, these are the answers people really need to clear up. Does Pete really run Linux at all, Has Pete has been reading too many superman comics? Was he recently consigned to a mental facility? Is he getting something from the help MS fund? And, is Penguin_Pete a real person at all?
I know and trust Ken's credentials, but, Penguin_Pete? Not so much...
There was a story on http://www.linux.org this morning that says his name is Pete Trbovich. A quick Google search reveals that he is a graphics designer in Des Moines, IA.
Not that it makes much difference, mind you, but in case you bump into him at a Vista conference, you've been warned. Or if he moves into your neighborhood, you have his information, the same as if he were a RSO. (I didn't see him in the RSO list.)
Not that it makes much difference, mind you, but in case you bump into him at a Vista conference, you've been warned. Or if he moves into your neighborhood, you have his information, the same as if he were a RSO. (I didn't see him in the RSO list.)
Oh sheesh ...
Now I'll have to lie when people ask where I'm from ... "Iowa? Never been there. Nope, that wasn't me you knew from high school in Cedar Rapids."
Now I'll have to lie when people ask where I'm from ... "Iowa? Never been there. Nope, that wasn't me you knew from high school in Cedar Rapids."
Funny thing is, penguins don't have them.
@bigg
I'm not seeing that article or anything relating to it on that site. I just love the way things disappear ;-)
I'm not seeing that article or anything relating to it on that site. I just love the way things disappear ;-)
OK, I get the connection.
-Ubuntu is the most contributing distro in the tux500 campaign,
-Pete Trbovich a.k.a. PenguinPete doesn't like Ubuntu nor Linux, he wants us to use ReactOS. He doesn't want Linux to become mainstream, while Helios a.k.a. Ken Starks tries to make Linux the O.S. that dominates the world.
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/11403/1023/
My suggestion to you, Mr. Trbovich: Collect $500 in the ReactOS community, and rent advertising space on a blimp which flies the whole city. You might as well ask VituaNova and RMS to donate $500 as well, to make that three planes. If you do that, LXer would be very happy to report about it.
Probably, your problem is that Linux users are not as elitist as you are.
Well, if Windows refugees go to Ubuntu, then use ReactOS, OpenBSD, Inferno or HURD instead. Run an ad campaign for OpenBSD. Theo de Raadt will be very pleased, especially because OpenBSD seriously lacks money. Work (code) on HURD, since it is rather unusable at this time. I say this, especially since you are wasting your time by tracking Helios and Devnet all over the internet and writing blogs about it. I understand you have time to much on your hands since you are retired, but someone with your skills can use that time in a far better way. Why not try to be useful to the ReactOS community, and make ReactOS better than Linux? Why not try to convert people from Windows and Linux to ReactOS? Why don't you set up a ReactOS lab at a school, the same way Ken (helios) set up a Linux lab at a school? Why don't spend your time covnerting the elderly to ReactOS?
http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=reactos_auditi...
Really, ReactOS looks interesting to me. I want to make a deal with you. I'll write an honest review about ReactOS which will be published on LXer, but only if you stop saying LXer (which includes me) is helping fraud, stop posting negative blogs about Tux500, if you are polite to Ken and Devnet from now on (you are blaming them for not being polite to Linux users, while at the same time calling them @$$H0LE$, which makes _you_ seem unpolite). Could we try that? I promise the ReactOS review will be finished in the weekend of the Indy500.
BTW, when was the last time you have donated to OpenBSD or FSF?
Best, Hans Kwint LXer editor (in case you didn't know)
-Ubuntu is the most contributing distro in the tux500 campaign,
-Pete Trbovich a.k.a. PenguinPete doesn't like Ubuntu nor Linux, he wants us to use ReactOS. He doesn't want Linux to become mainstream, while Helios a.k.a. Ken Starks tries to make Linux the O.S. that dominates the world.
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/11403/1023/
Quoting:According to Penguin Pete... ...Linux is not and never will be an operating system designed to suit disillusioned Windows users. They reckon Linux was designed to be a replacement for Unix not Windows.
So where should disaffected Windows users go? Why to an open source Windows replacement project called ReactOS of course.
My suggestion to you, Mr. Trbovich: Collect $500 in the ReactOS community, and rent advertising space on a blimp which flies the whole city. You might as well ask VituaNova and RMS to donate $500 as well, to make that three planes. If you do that, LXer would be very happy to report about it.
Probably, your problem is that Linux users are not as elitist as you are.
Quoting:Trbovich has a great writing style and the logic of his argument does appear consistent. It is also unashamedly elitist. Acording to Penguin Pete, Ubuntu is not really Linux but a cultural cringe to refugees from Windows.
Well, if Windows refugees go to Ubuntu, then use ReactOS, OpenBSD, Inferno or HURD instead. Run an ad campaign for OpenBSD. Theo de Raadt will be very pleased, especially because OpenBSD seriously lacks money. Work (code) on HURD, since it is rather unusable at this time. I say this, especially since you are wasting your time by tracking Helios and Devnet all over the internet and writing blogs about it. I understand you have time to much on your hands since you are retired, but someone with your skills can use that time in a far better way. Why not try to be useful to the ReactOS community, and make ReactOS better than Linux? Why not try to convert people from Windows and Linux to ReactOS? Why don't you set up a ReactOS lab at a school, the same way Ken (helios) set up a Linux lab at a school? Why don't spend your time covnerting the elderly to ReactOS?
http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=reactos_auditi...
Quoting:Hate the Linux command-line? ReactOS boots into a GUI and a GUI is all you get. Coming to Linux and complaining about the command line is like vacationing in Las Vegas and complaining about the casinos. ReactOS is what you want, if you insist on an exact Windows clone.
Really, ReactOS looks interesting to me. I want to make a deal with you. I'll write an honest review about ReactOS which will be published on LXer, but only if you stop saying LXer (which includes me) is helping fraud, stop posting negative blogs about Tux500, if you are polite to Ken and Devnet from now on (you are blaming them for not being polite to Linux users, while at the same time calling them @$$H0LE$, which makes _you_ seem unpolite). Could we try that? I promise the ReactOS review will be finished in the weekend of the Indy500.
BTW, when was the last time you have donated to OpenBSD or FSF?
Best, Hans Kwint LXer editor (in case you didn't know)
Ok, a quick google on the name Pete Trbovich links him with both Penguin Pete and Des Moines IA.
>Well, if Windows refugees go to Ubuntu, then use OpenBSD, Inferno or HURD instead.
My own thought is that he's just an elitist. I could be mistaken, but, Pete strikes me as the ideal HURD follower.
>Well, if Windows refugees go to Ubuntu, then use OpenBSD, Inferno or HURD instead.
My own thought is that he's just an elitist. I could be mistaken, but, Pete strikes me as the ideal HURD follower.
Sorry Jim, but I changed my reaction above yours after you posted. Please change 'HURD' in ReactOS.
By the way, Pete has posted a handful of stories on LXer. All of them point back to his blog.
Yeah, (some) people go to Pete's blog because of LXer.
Please, Mr. Trbovich: If you think helios and devnet are doing a bad job for Linux because of not being polite, realize what a terrible job you are doing for the ReactOS community. I think they're not pleased with your behaviour.
(Here's what Mr. Trbovich wrote:)
(Source: http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=reactos_auditi... again)
Then why complain if people think all Linux marketing needs is MONEY?
Please, Mr. Trbovich: If you think helios and devnet are doing a bad job for Linux because of not being polite, realize what a terrible job you are doing for the ReactOS community. I think they're not pleased with your behaviour.
(Here's what Mr. Trbovich wrote:)
Quoting:And now the ironic part: ReactOS is starved for help! As many users out there as there are clamoring for a free Windows, you'd think this development effort would be skyrocketing. Here's a whole page on how you can contribute to this effort. You don't need to be a programmer. They need everything from beta-testers to document writers; they need to finish this audit, and they need MONEY.
(Source: http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=reactos_auditi... again)
Then why complain if people think all Linux marketing needs is MONEY?
> Please change 'HURD' in ReactOS.
Naw, he wants noobs to use the ReactOS... He's staying with the 'good stuff'. As I said, a self perceived elitist.
Naw, he wants noobs to use the ReactOS... He's staying with the 'good stuff'. As I said, a self perceived elitist.
Ha! I finally got my paypal account password reset :-) My donation is in (under Debian ofcourse). And just to piss off Penguin Pete I've made it 10 times the buck-a-fifty Helios asked for.
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NoDough:>Fourth. Blog software generally shows all posts made prior to disabling them. If you closed comments after being 'spammed', then where are the previous comments?<
My point was that the comments portion of Pete's blog post had no entries. Therefore, either he deleted all the comments, or disabled comments at the time of his original blog post.
Am I to believe that Pete deleted "valid" comments along with the spam? Why would he do that?
Alternatively, he disabled comments before anyone was able to post. Why would he do that?
He is calling into question the honesty of devnet and helios. As an informed reader, and after and honest evaluation, it's Pete's honesty that I have to question.