If accurate, this article leads me to only one conclusion...
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| Ridcully Jan 19, 2010 5:39 PM EDT |
If Mono (or Moonlight) is involved in any FOSS code, remove it and reject it utterly. Do not use it, implement it, develop it, encourage it or in any way give support to what "Microsoft Miguel" is doing. I may be simplistic in my views but where Microsoft can exert competitive power with patents, especially against Linux, I believe that the Redmond company ultimately will do so. Its bottom line is now under threat and as one very recent article noted: Microsoft is now looking under lounge cushions for every scrap of currency it can get . Since, Mono remains patent encumbered (assuming this article is accurate) Microsoft WILL therefore, eventually employ that encumbrance against Linux interests. Just ask Tom Tom for confirmation that Microsoft will use patents without hesitation, Linux user or not. The aspect that continues to confound me in every way is that de Icaza continues to apparently believe that Microsoft is a "benevolent company that wants collaboration with Linux", even after he knows that it took years of fighting, negotiation, enormous fines, a legal conviction and the might of the EU to force Microsoft into releasing material that allows a similar cross exchange of data with Samba under very controlled and agreed conditions with a big difference: patent encumbrance is absent. In discussions with another Linux user, both myself and that user have come to our personal conclusion that de Icaza has a hidden agenda based solely on Microsoft's wishes to harm Linux. We have no direct evidence for it other than the recent award given to Miguel by Microsoft, but if something looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck...........circumstantial of course, and undoubtedly Miguel can prove we are wrong.....but we continue to suspect. |
| tracyanne Jan 19, 2010 5:43 PM EDT |
I've asked TomTom on numerous occassions, and they still won't support Linux desktops. |
| Bob_Robertson Jan 19, 2010 5:44 PM EDT |
...or NetFlix. NetFlix also will stream to a 'Net connected XBox, but not a Wii, so I figure money has changed hands, agreements made, that sort of thing. |
| Ridcully Jan 19, 2010 5:47 PM EDT |
By way of explanation.....my use of Tom Tom as an example was purely on the application of patents, not that Tom Tom uses Linux. |
| zigzag Jan 19, 2010 6:02 PM EDT |
The article should be titled "Health check: Moonlight". My mistake. :-) |
| henke54 Jan 19, 2010 6:13 PM EDT |
more here : http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/10/stephane-delcroix-silver... |
| tracyanne Jan 19, 2010 6:19 PM EDT |
@henke, boycottnovell, and I left my tin foil hat at home, so it will have to wait..... a long time probably. Sorry Ridcully. TomTom are not one of my favourite companies. |
| techiem2 Jan 19, 2010 7:48 PM EDT |
Quoting:NetFlix also will stream to a 'Net connected XBox, but not a Wii, The PS3 also has NetFlix. And the Wii is getting NetFlix. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/technologybrierdudleys... From what I understand the issue holding the Wii back was the HD support, but I guess they finally realized that most people don't care if they are watching standard or HD feeds from NetFlix. |
| azerthoth Jan 19, 2010 7:52 PM EDT |
boxee |
| Bob_Robertson Jan 19, 2010 8:49 PM EDT |
> most people don't care if they are watching standard or HD feeds from NetFlix. If you've seen what NetFlix streams, you'd know how true that is. Still, their PC player requires Silverlight. |
| hkwint Jan 20, 2010 8:13 AM EDT |
When the Olympic Games / Tour de France / World Championship Soccer sell their rights to our local public broadcast company, they demand DRM. Flash doesn't support DRM (they say), Silverlight does. So when our PBC broadcasts one of those sport events, you need Silverlight as well. How great is that? |
| gus3 Jan 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT |
One more reason to pay no attention to those events. |
| herzeleid Jan 20, 2010 4:14 PM EDT |
Quoting: Still, their PC player requires Silverlight.Yeah, that's a shame. If I found another provider that was more linux friendly I'd drop netflix. Fortunately I received a roku box from a friend who had an extra, so I can watch netflix streaming movies. Caught a couple of episodes of the office last night. Ironically, the roku box runs linux. |
| Bob_Robertson Jan 20, 2010 4:35 PM EDT |
> Ironically, the roku box runs linux. That is so very cool. Case in point to prove "Windows" or "Linux" has nothing what so ever to do with it. |
| hkwint Jan 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT |
Quoting:One more reason to pay no attention to those events. Hell no, Tour de France starts in NL again, just like Giro'd Italia (and last year Vuelta a Espana, all in NL!) so I'm just going to the real life - event. For free, as in beer, and I'm even allowed to film and post to Youtube, legally! Yeah, sure gotta love cycling, it's about the cheapest sport to visit and there are no other sports where you can almost touch the sporters like that. For the two other events, I agree. However, I still have an old coax 4:3 CRT TV with no 'digital broadcast' abilities at all, and believe it or not, but I can watch all those events live without downloading / installing anything. Gotta love old school compatibility. OK, I'm done, you can rest now. Back to the Netflix: I couldn't care less. It's not available outside the US anyway, so why would anyone outside the US care if it requires Silverlight or not? |
| Bob_Robertson Jan 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT |
> so why would anyone outside the US care if it requires Silverlight or not? Principle! |
| hkwint Jan 20, 2010 4:43 PM EDT |
Well, as far as I understand it's not funded with tax money and these are companies, so they can do whatever they want. |
| Bob_Robertson Jan 20, 2010 5:10 PM EDT |
I would like it on the record that I am not the one that brought up taxes first. |
| tracyanne Jan 20, 2010 5:12 PM EDT |
What Taxis Bob? |
| gus3 Jan 20, 2010 5:24 PM EDT |
The taxes on Texas taxis. (An old, inside joke. Laughter is not required.) |
| hkwint Jan 20, 2010 5:29 PM EDT |
Consider it a generous offer: Instead of you having to tell about non-tax funded companies being able to limit their users in any way they like, I do it for you. Because normally I'm less prone to 'thread deletion' etc. But it's on the record, or at least in LXer history now. |
| Bob_Robertson Jan 20, 2010 10:43 PM EDT |
I must be really tired, my humor efforts are just not working! It seemed rolling on the floor funny to me. Maybe it's sleep deprivation. Or drugs. That's it! A serious lack of drugs. I'll have to volunteer for a tour of duty in Afghanistan, fourth width. |
| tuxchick Jan 20, 2010 11:11 PM EDT |
I laughed. |
| hkwint Jan 21, 2010 7:53 AM EDT |
Bob: Has to be the government. Blame them! I'm pretty sure in a world without government, I'd have laughed. Hint to myself: Should move to Belgium, they're regularly without national government. |
| slaphon Jan 22, 2010 5:38 PM EDT |
De Icaza and his #1 friend and Astroturf Engine Lefty Schlesinger threaten a beating to a journalist: and here we have David "Lefty" Schlesinger threatening to put a gang style beat down on a journalist Stonemirror posted : Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:03 am Post subject: Re: CentOS will continue [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/CENTOS-Freetard-Run-Piggy-... quote (If it's Miguel that Roy's worried about, I certainly wouldn't _blame_ Miguel for wanting to take a swing at Roy; in fact, if Miguel were to ask me to--which he wouldn't--I'd be willing to seriously consider holding Roy down while Miguel worked him over. That said, I have to say that Miguel, who is more of a gentleman than I'll be in two lifetimes, would never do such a thing: I've broken up an _actual about-to-turn-into-a-fight_ with Miguel. Peacefully. He's a peaceful guy. Me, I'm as peaceful as I _can_ be.) unquote |
| slaphon Jan 22, 2010 5:41 PM EDT |
and further, de Icaza's dear friend Lefty is also dabbling in blackmail and pornography.... David "Lefty" Schlesinger, Gnome and Pornography! David Lefty Schlesinger aka "stonemirror" is now publishing pornographic photos of his critics. David Lefty Schlesinger aka "stonemirror" is now publishing nude photos to defame and harm individuals he has insane grudges against : and he has no possible copyright to these ten year old photos which have never been public in any form. He 'acquired' them for a sum of cash from an ex of the party on display on his harassment/blackmail website extinct-marsupial.org. That alone sums up the ethics of Schlesinger, and trumps anything he choses to throw up in his usual pattern of obfuscation and lies. Run a WHOIS on the now pornographic site extinct-marsupial.org : it is owned and operated by David Lefty Schlesinger, pornographer now along with Troll and Stalker of legendary status. Ask Kathy Sutphen about him, she received similar treatment and her testimony is archived. Several other individuals have made similar complaints. Bruce Perens has in public noted that Schlesinger appears to be emotionally unbalanced, and Perens also called Schlesinger a "confabulator" ie a liar : http://lwn.net/Articles/366559/ Lefty sits on the Gnome Advisory Board and the Gnome Foundation, so I maintain that his documented behavior is extremely relevant to this topic. So, watch out if you show public support for RMS or actual Free Software (not the cheap fraud called merely "open source"), or you might just find nude pictures of yourself up on one of Lefty's harassment pages. I ask you, is this acceptable behavior in any possible circumstance? and here are Lefty's very transparent and insulting lies regarding these inexcusable and horrendously vile actions he has taken: "Free as in "Free" of any factual value whatsoever Once again, my management has received a lovely letter from a "freedom-lover", making a variety of exciting claims, such as the following: Your employee David N. Schlesinger has in public admitted to publishing stolen pornographic photographs. This behavior of his looks very bad indeed for both ACCESS, Inc. and the Gnome Advisory Board which ACCESS pays $10,000 per year to keep Schlesinger sitting on. Fun stuff. I've also had fraudulent DMCA claims and ICANN notifications from the very same "freedom-lover" to deal with this morning. It's terrific the way that folks who like to tell you how they're are all about "freedom" find means to justify their apparent ends." - David Lefty Schlesinger aka "stonemirror" quoted here : http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2010/01/free-as-in-free-o... Why does this man who has never contributed anything to Gnome but a futile attempt at a vote to split Gnome from Gnu even allowed on this board? The answer is corporate politics ; and if you have even a shred of ethical sense, it should make you shudder and worse - throw up in your mouth a little. The Pod People have taken over Gnome, this much is obvious. And they are completely ruthless and unscrupulous. (the pornographic photos on the site are temporarily removed through DMCA takedown, but Schlesinger vows belligerently to put them back as soon as he is legally able to) |
| tuxchick Jan 22, 2010 6:28 PM EDT |
My fine LXer editors, this slaphon person copies and pastes these posts all over the internet. |
| slaphon Jan 22, 2010 6:37 PM EDT |
These post are on topic for an anti-mono thread, and you should not be defending a fake feminist and stalker/harasser of women like Schlesinger. David Lefty Schelsinger aka stonemirror is a very important part of Team Mono, and what team mono is up to is news. Don't like it, don't read it. |
| tuxchick Jan 22, 2010 6:54 PM EDT |
I'm giving the fine LXer persons necessary information, that you spam every forum you can touch with your copypasta hatchet-grinding. I run Linux Today, and I delete your junk from there. My real name is Carla Schroder. What's yours? |
| slaphon Jan 22, 2010 6:55 PM EDT |
Spam is unsolicited commercial email. It is not news. And I only place commentary where it is on topic to the thread. You are not representing the truth at all, you are exaggerating wildly. |
| theboomboomcars Jan 22, 2010 6:57 PM EDT |
It's funny that your on-topic posts do not seem to mention mono. These people are involved with mono, but they are not mono. Tangentially related does not equal on topic. |
| slaphon Jan 22, 2010 6:59 PM EDT |
Your arguments are specious, and you are borderline lying with your hostile exaggerations. Team mono is mono is mono is mono.... Haven't you got something better to spend your time on than enabling a criminal to harass more women? |
| gus3 Jan 22, 2010 7:07 PM EDT |
Funny, slaphon. Not. Go crap on someone else's website. Better yet, set up your own little echo chamber. We won't stop you, honest. |
| slaphon Jan 22, 2010 7:10 PM EDT |
Schlesinger has cynically abused feminism to attack RMS and free software when he has a well documented history of harassing women and writing the most vile and nasty of misogynistic articles. This is news. This is Team Mono. These are facts, all well documented and evidenced. Please cease your pointless trolling. |
| azerthoth Jan 22, 2010 7:56 PM EDT |
@my fellow LXers, dont feed the trolls. in responding to them in either the positive or negative they feel either validated or they must prove opposite points invalid. I beg you to let the thread die and let slapnuts play elsewhere. |
| slaphon Jan 22, 2010 8:07 PM EDT |
David “Lefty” Schlesinger aka ‘Stonemirror’ has a long, long history with other people unrelated to me in any way who have accused him of threats of violence and extortion, in those exact and verbatim terms. This is all archived in the mid 90’s waldorf critics email archive. In particular, Lefty so terrorized a woman named Kathy Sutphen with his threats and demands of $5,000 legal damages for every one of his menacing emails that she published - that Kathy was in fear for her physical safety and suffered adverse mental and physical effects. This is archived here, and in other places in the Waldorf/Anthroposophist critics archive: [HYPERLINK@www.waldorfcritics.org] and quoted verbatim : ““I’d save the ASCII totem for an occasion just prior to your court )) )date, in the event that ever actually comes to pass: you’ll need all )) )the good luck you can scrape together. )) ) )) )– )) )Lefty Redux [gYon-Pa] (lefty apple.com), (dns netcom.com) )) )C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:. )) )) I was utterly shocked by the vicious animosity of these messages. In all )) honesty, I have find them to be quite intimidating. They have affected my )) sleep and my appetite. I do not know to what lengths this man will go to )) for retaliation. I hope that his anger is limited to email and I have not )) exhibited foolish bravado in posting these. However, I will not participate )) in his abuse by continuing to allow him to send me these types of messages )) privately with the thought that his threats of extortion will keep me from )) sharing. Every abuser needs to be drug into a public forum posthaste. It is )) only in a public arena that this type of behavior can be halted. )) )) I hope that others of you that have been subjected to this type of abuse )) will ignore his threats and make his behavior public. )) )) Kathy Sutphen” |
| slaphon Jan 23, 2010 8:44 AM EDT |
Trolls deal only in empty insults. I only present documented facts. I am in no way a troll. |
| dinotrac Jan 23, 2010 12:27 PM EDT |
slaphon -- Do you go by J or M these days? |
| slaphon Jan 23, 2010 1:04 PM EDT |
neither, and I do ask the editor to remove this nonsense troll post with civil names, please. mono fanatics never tire of invasion of privacy, it seems. |
| jdixon Jan 23, 2010 1:21 PM EDT |
> My real name is ... What's yours? > Do you go byJason Christopher Hughes or Michael Rudra Nath these days? > neither, and I do ask the editor to remove this slur w civil names, please. So no answer huh? My name, as most of the folks here know, is James Dixon and almost any post I put on the net will have one of James Dixon, Jim Dixon, jimdixon, or jdixon appended to it. Oh well, some people have good reasons for not wanting their posts associated with their real identity. But most people weigh the merits of posts accordingly. |
| slaphon Jan 23, 2010 2:11 PM EDT |
some people are the victims of violent stalkers like the stalker David Lefty Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror', and we have to take every step we can to avoid his illegal and obsessive activity. The internet grew and grew healthy on anonymity, but people like you are leading us to an Orwellian internet where every action is tracked and filed and data mined. |
| hkwint Jan 23, 2010 3:18 PM EDT |
Do you really think posting here will stop obsessive activities? Last time someone over here tried it didn't succeed, so I'd say better spend your energy elsewhere, where it's used more efficient. But I'm glad you're spicing up our forum. It became a bit boring, always the same persons and the same opinions over and over, you see. |
| slaphon Jan 23, 2010 4:03 PM EDT |
However, I will not participate
)) in his abuse by continuing to allow him to send me these types of messages
)) privately with the thought that his threats of extortion will keep me from
)) sharing. Every abuser needs to be drug into a public forum posthaste. It is
)) only in a public arena that this type of behavior can be halted.
))
)) I hope that others of you that have been subjected to this type of abuse
)) will ignore his threats and make his behavior public.
))
)) Kathy Sutphen” enough attention will in time deservedly damage his professional reputation, and he will be forced to cease these harassing activities. Facts backed by evidence, ie his own websites and own his quoted words - the Truth - is absolute defense against any claim of defamation. |
| jdixon Jan 23, 2010 5:47 PM EDT |
> but people like you are leading us to an Orwellian internet where every action is tracked and filed and data mined. You give me far to much credit. :) I merely like to have some idea who someone is before I pay any attention to what they say. There are exceptions, but they've proven themselves over the months and years. As examples, I had to look up Dino's real name (it's on at least one of his old Linux Today posts), but I've known him as Dinotrac for years. Likewise, PJ at Groklaw has proven the worth of her writing, even though she remains anonymous. You're not in their category. |
| slaphon Jan 23, 2010 6:01 PM EDT |
You are not even in the category of a decent human being - you are a vicious troll. |
| jdixon Jan 23, 2010 6:05 PM EDT |
> You are not even in the category of a decent human being - you are a vicious troll. Who? Me or someone else on this thread? |
| jdixon Jan 23, 2010 6:06 PM EDT |
> the Truth - is absolute defense against any claim of defamation. You'll want to be careful about that. In the US that's true, but it's not true everywhere. |
| Bob_Robertson Jan 23, 2010 7:40 PM EDT |
I'm impressed. For all the heat and bother that sometimes happens on LXer, an actual self-destructing troll is quite rare. Impressive. |
| slaphon Jan 23, 2010 7:48 PM EDT |
http://achewood.com/index.php?date=01172010 |
| Bob_Robertson Jan 23, 2010 7:53 PM EDT |
Thank you. Excellent demonstration of why I have no facebook account and never accessed twitter. |
| tuxchick Jan 23, 2010 8:09 PM EDT |
A better troll would play out their fake discussion longer, and save the shrieks of "You mean people are attacking me!" until later. It gives away the game too soon to go directly to crying abuse. Bob, I had to get a Facebook account for work, and surprisingly it has been fun. It all depends on who you hang out with. |
| Bob_Robertson Jan 23, 2010 8:47 PM EDT |
> It all depends on who you hang out with. I haven't hung out since 1984. No, wait, I did hang out in 1996 for a little while with the Denizens of Doom motorcycle club. Yeah. Good reason to stay off Facebook. |
| gus3 Jan 23, 2010 9:11 PM EDT |
On a borrowed system, an old hard drive decided to fail at just the right moment to make me let others say it far better. Thank you, TC and BR. |
| dinotrac Jan 24, 2010 12:24 AM EDT |
I was hanging out the other day. Fortunately my wife told me before anybody noticed. |
| montezuma Jan 24, 2010 12:54 AM EDT |
Good one Dino. You made my day. I won't enquire further re the details. |
| KernelShepard Jan 24, 2010 7:46 PM EDT |
FWIW, I know David Schlesinger is looking for information to drag that troll into court (see: http://twitter.com/stonemirror/status/8150484572 ), presumably for spreading libel everywhere. |
| hkwint Jan 25, 2010 5:34 PM EDT |
Thanks KS, useful info, at least to me. |
| ZQB Jan 25, 2010 5:48 PM EDT |
Except that it is not useful information, as with everything from Schlesinger it is complete b******t. He has been making the same legal threats against nearly a dozen people since 1996, and he has yet to sue a single one of them. He threatened Kathy Sutphen with a defamation suit for publishing his own emails to her which were menacing and crossed the line of legal harassment. He threatened her with a $5,000 extortion fee for every one of his threats she made public. One's own words, blogs and emails when linked to or quoted verbatim can not under any US court come within a million miles of defamation. since 1996, Schlesinger has been making the same rants, threats, insults and complaints against many different people, like a broken record! "I intend to avail myself of every legal means necessary to collect the fees which I contend that these people owe me. I am also considering taking action against them for tortious interference in attempting to infringe my ability to earn a living, and for libel and defamation of character for the unfounded charges they have made in this public forum of Mr. Dugan’s."- David "Lefty" Schlesinger aka "stonemirror" repeating himself with the same vain threats since 1996 !!! http://crankyoldnutcase.blogspot.com/2009/10/open-source-vs-... Evidence, facts and one's own public, quoted words do not count as libel. Learn it, live it, love it. Keep on calling me a troll, but that is just as accurate as calling me a paisley print dancing giraffe or an unusual cloud formation. |
| gus3 Jan 25, 2010 6:03 PM EDT |
We see you, slaphon. Or is your real name Glenn Greenwald? http://wuzzadem.typepad.com/wuz/2006/07/greenpuppet.html (Note: political content in sidebars.) |
| ZQB Jan 25, 2010 6:42 PM EDT |
This place is worse than usenet - same dusty old trolls and repetitive screwballs, and in the same typical and very small choral club. You are the enemies of relevance. |
| jdixon Jan 25, 2010 7:42 PM EDT |
> ...same dusty old trolls and repetitive screwballs... Yeah, but Scott and company take care of them fairly quickly. As I'm sure they will in this case. |
| bob Jan 25, 2010 9:12 PM EDT |
Taken care of. |
| gus3 Jan 25, 2010 9:16 PM EDT |
Thank you, bob. |
| bigg Feb 11, 2010 9:49 AM EDT |
Time for thread deletion? |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 11, 2010 11:48 AM EDT |
If it doesn't happen soon, Bigg, I know just what to post to make sure it happens. Take my wife. Please. |
| dinotrac Feb 11, 2010 11:57 AM EDT |
Bob -- Why so reticent? God will not look upon you with favor if you allow fear of Godless heathens and other Democrats with their communist agendas and naieve, rose-colored-glasses mush-minded outlooks shut you up. Before long, somebody will start saying we should hesitate to bomb Iran into oblivion. Along with N. Korea and China. And say -- Isn't there some way we can use coal to run our cars? That really ought to give those lying know-nothing global warming believers a hernia even sooner than their defective Priuses (Priii?) kill them by running into a brick wall when the brakes fail. Fortunately for them, we have the world's best health care, which should forever remain untouched by government hands and will be once Medicare and Medicaid are repealed. That should be sufficient, I would think. Oh wait -- with deference to our editors, what does it say about the Netherlands that a Dutch oven isn't really an oven or that going Dutch Treat isn't really treating? |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 11, 2010 12:01 PM EDT |
You forgot Republican Nazis, Libertarian Nihilists, bomb-throwing Chaosists and Free-market Stoners. Which leaves only Principled Anarchists who just don't care one way or the other since it doesn't effect them. |
| bigg Feb 11, 2010 12:13 PM EDT |
This is evidence that we need health care reform. It's what happens when folks aren't able to afford their medications. |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 11, 2010 12:51 PM EDT |
It is so very much fun to banter with smart people. Oh crud, I've ruined the thread. Idiots! That's it, Only Idiots Use Linux! Smart people use Windows because it just works! |
| dinotrac Feb 11, 2010 1:00 PM EDT |
It's OK, Bob.
We know bigg is right. Except for misunderstanding the nature of health care reform. And probably everything else. Communist. Or Anarchist. Or Libertarian. Or Tea partier -- which might be all of the above. Oh --- and I'm not sure where he was born but I'll bet he doesn't have a birth certificate to prove he's not really an undercover llama. |
| bigg Feb 11, 2010 1:09 PM EDT |
Well maybe if it wasn't for you and your Republican buddies cutting taxes all the time, I might have been able to get a good public education, so don't get after me for not knowing anything. |
| gus3 Feb 11, 2010 1:25 PM EDT |
"Cutting taxes" is Washingtonian double-speak. Elsewhere we'd say "increasing taxes less than predicted". Hey, just doing my part. |
| tuxchick Feb 11, 2010 1:50 PM EDT |
And "increase in [something that sounds good]" really means "slowing the rate of decrease" |
| dinotrac Feb 11, 2010 2:11 PM EDT |
bigg -- Sorry that you had to be a victim of the Democrat-infested teacher's unions. **edited** On second look, the original posting looked a bit too serious to convey the intended spirit. Redacted accordingly. |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 11, 2010 3:24 PM EDT |
Hi, We all ok? because it looks like this thing has come of the rails a bit for LXer.. |
| dinotrac Feb 11, 2010 3:38 PM EDT |
Scott -- I should have known that you would bring high speed rail transportation into this discussion. Cars and roads, that's what made this country great. Well, guns, too. And flags. And freedom of speech for those who think the right way. And freedom of religion, especially to push onto those who think the wrong way. America, love it or else. |
| gus3 Feb 11, 2010 4:25 PM EDT |
New Hampshire: "Live Free or Die". Hmmmm, decisions, decisions... (EDIT: Wrong state.) |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 11, 2010 5:30 PM EDT |
Your hilarious Dino..and by the way the correct saying is; LXer, love it or else. ;-) |
| dinotrac Feb 11, 2010 5:44 PM EDT |
gus3 - Please do not die. You may not give my opinions on this matter much weight, so I should tell you that I have become horribly horribly fat. Adjust accordingly. |
| azerthoth Feb 11, 2010 7:40 PM EDT |
Need to change the title of the thread, conclusion to contusion. As in the bruise I just gave myself when I was banging my head on the desk ... or was that concussion? Could be, I seem a bit dazed right now. |
| dinotrac Feb 11, 2010 9:08 PM EDT |
azer -- Sorry to hear about your health challenges, but there is a silver lining. Speaking from experience, the dazed life ain't so bad. |
| jdixon Feb 11, 2010 10:03 PM EDT |
> the dazed life ain't so bad. "Been Dazed and Confused for so long it's not true." Or is that "The Three Stooges Go Around the World in a Daze"? I can never remember. |
| hkwint Feb 11, 2010 10:18 PM EDT |
Darn, I'm late. Are we discussing the "Highway of Death" again? I'm all for it! Or wait, while we're at it: Next month, March 13, is Zeitgeist day. Be sure to watch the movie! http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ |
| gus3 Feb 11, 2010 11:14 PM EDT |
@dino: "Every silver lining has a cloud." |
| jdixon Feb 11, 2010 11:54 PM EDT |
> "Every silver lining has a cloud." That's a dark cloud, gus3. Sheesh, youngsters these days. :) |
| gus3 Feb 12, 2010 12:11 AM EDT |
I've used that phrase for years. In 2007, as Paul Harvey's health was declining, he had several substitute commentators, among them Fred Thompson. During the noontime broadcast, he slipped that phrase in as a comment on a news story, and immediately got my endorsement for a Presidential run. Really, anyone who thinks the way I do, can't be all bad. ;-) |
| dinotrac Feb 12, 2010 8:06 AM EDT |
>Really, anyone who thinks the way I do, can't be all bad. ;-) Demonstrably untrue. |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 12, 2010 11:47 AM EDT |
Anyone want to get into how inefficient "light rail" is? Live in San Jose for a few years, sheesh! What a disaster. Gus, FreeStateProject.org! Excuse me, gotta go, Andrew Napolitano is interviewing Walter Block. :^) |
| hkwint Feb 12, 2010 12:47 PM EDT |
But surely light-real is more efficient than heavy real, taking into aspect the weight / usability ratio, isn't it? |
| dinotrac Feb 12, 2010 3:52 PM EDT |
hans -- light-real is less satisfying, but definitely healthier than heavy real. And -- so easy to work with!! Slice up some onions and celery, make some potato wedges, and throw them all into a nice cast-iron dutch oven that you have pre-heated with a tablespoon of nolive oil. When the onions begin to carmelize, thrown in the light-real. After 15 minutes, you will see that the light-real has opened to reveal Britney Spears, Stephen Colbert, Oprah, an Old Navy Store, the Real Housewives of Orange County, and more assorted trivia than you can imagine. A little low in nutrition, but so much less depressing than heavy real. |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 12, 2010 7:21 PM EDT |
> A little low in nutrition, but so much less depressing than heavy real. Less depressing, true, but nauseating in its own putrid way. |
| azerthoth Feb 12, 2010 7:22 PM EDT |
Heavy real gives us Les Stroud and Anthony Bourdain. Although tony does seem an odd duck, and he'll eat that duck too. |
| KernelShepard Feb 12, 2010 8:27 PM EDT |
Any bets on that Bruce Perens email being a forgery? Dear Mr. victimsoflefty, It doesn't take much brain power to deduce that the likelyhood of that email being legit is slim-to-none since neither Lefty nor Bruce Perens have published such an email. Between your frequent pseudonym changes and your unwillingness to leave any email address for contacting you, I'd find it extremely hard to believe that Bruce Perens dug up your true identity to Cc you on such an email. I also find it extremely unlikely that Bruce Perens would want to tarnish his reputation in associating with the likes of you. Also, didn't you tell Carla you were a woman? Then you're a man. Which is it? Are you confused? Yours truly, KS |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 12, 2010 9:32 PM EDT |
> Ask Bruce yourself, dickhead. I'm convinced. Such withering logic, what can stand up to that? Have you considered a career in international diplomacy? |
| azerthoth Feb 12, 2010 9:35 PM EDT |
KS whyyyyyyyy? you broke the rules of the game... bad KS you must now use $microsoft_os for two hours of penance. |
| KernelShepard Feb 12, 2010 9:37 PM EDT |
Neither of those messages are relevant, I'm afraid. So they had a disagreement. Who cares? That doesn't put Bruce on your side of a smear campaign full of libel against David Schlesinger. You'll have to do better than that to convince anyone. |
| KernelShepard Feb 12, 2010 9:39 PM EDT |
azerthoth: doh! Luckily I don't have access to a $microsoft_os here at home, so it'll have to wait until Tuesday when I'm at the office and can dig up a Windows VM. |
| dinotrac Feb 12, 2010 10:41 PM EDT |
KS -- Careful...there might be one sneaking up on you when you turn your back. The original name of Windows 7 was Creepy Stalker guy peeping in Windows. Just so you know. |
| KernelShepard Feb 12, 2010 10:57 PM EDT |
dino: nice! |
| jdixon Feb 12, 2010 11:57 PM EDT |
> Trolls like you.... OK Scott, I think that's your cue. |
| gus3 Feb 13, 2010 12:40 AM EDT |
(EDIT: Redacted.) |
| dinotrac Feb 13, 2010 12:52 AM EDT |
gus3 - Depends on the Gypsy. Hateful, sociopathic Gypsy s**t doesn't sound that pleasant. |
| azerthoth Feb 13, 2010 1:24 AM EDT |
that cant be right, I already know where creepy stalker guy is ... hmm, might be windows too. |
| gus3 Feb 13, 2010 11:13 AM EDT |
Yeah, we can read, dumbass. SCOTT!!! |
| bigg Feb 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT |
Rather than mocking him, why don't we try this rambling without a point thing. Maybe he's not brain damaged, maybe he knows something we don't. The other day, while I was on my way to a doctor's appointment, I drove past a donut shop. I thought to myself that a donut might taste good. Then I thought well no I'm already fat. So I kept driving. Then I was thinking what I'd do if I got a flat tire while driving up the hill in the rain. Maybe I could make it far enough to get off the main road. So then I stopped worrying about it. No, this sucks. He's brain dead. |
| tuxchick Feb 13, 2010 12:47 PM EDT |
Cool, cussing and trolling is allowed now. Must think of something slimy to slay, I wanna play too. |
| jdixon Feb 13, 2010 1:18 PM EDT |
> you are an inventor and pioneer of trolling, Carla. Uh oh. He's figured out TC's secret identity. How will she ever survive. > I would not be surprised if you were granted some patents in the matter. Sorry, those belong to YBT. I'm sure he'll be contacting you shortly about payment details. |
| gus3 Feb 13, 2010 1:42 PM EDT |
Oh Noez! We're doomed!!1one |
| tuxchick Feb 13, 2010 1:55 PM EDT |
I have a special PayPal account set up for YBT that automatically send him his tribute every month. One of these days I probably ought to put some money in it. |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 13, 2010 2:22 PM EDT |
Got him, and deleted his posts..sorry about that guys and gals.. |
| dinotrac Feb 13, 2010 2:34 PM EDT |
bigg -- Donuts sound good. |
| jdixon Feb 13, 2010 3:31 PM EDT |
> ...sorry about that guys and gals.. It's a weekend, Scott. I'm sure you've got a real life too. And if you're like us, it probably involves shovelling lots of snow. |
| TxtEdMacs Feb 13, 2010 3:49 PM EDT |
Quoting: [...] if you're like us, it probably involves shovelling lots of snow.Sure in fridged Tuscon*, where baby it's cold outside. And Global Warming is a farce universe. YBT * Midtown, Tucson, Arizona (PWS) Updated: 12:46 PM MST on February 13, 2010 Clear 63.5 °F Clear |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 13, 2010 3:50 PM EDT |
I do have a life but as for shoveling snow, nope. I live in Phoenix Arizona where there never has been nor will there ever be weather of any kind to measure outside of the intensity of the UV index depending on if its January or June. It only rains for mere minutes at a time here, if that. The last time it rained for a whole day, as in 24 hours was over 14 years ago. We are supposed to average 7 or so inches of rain a year, we have averaged about half of that for the last decade or so. In Phoenix, we stand outside and watch it rain to prove to ourselves it actually happened because you never know if its ever going to happen again in your lifetime. I haven't seen anything besides clear and sunny with temperatures between 70-115 degrees in 20+ years. I hear about all this cool weather that happens in other places but not here in PHX, not ever. ;-) |
| azerthoth Feb 13, 2010 4:07 PM EDT |
While in other parts of Arizona, over in Chinle where my sister is teaching, she got to introduce her two horses to that horrible white stuff. Strange state you got there Scott. |
| gus3 Feb 13, 2010 5:09 PM EDT |
If not for my family here, I'd be living in southern Arizona. At least, I told myself that, until about a month ago, when they started getting freaky winter weather, too... |
| Storyteller Feb 13, 2010 5:17 PM EDT |
Say if you have any extra snow can you send it to Vancouver? It is raining and balmy. Great weather for a Summer (Winter) Olympics. ;-} The family took in the preliminary round of Ski Jump and have to admit it was a great time. Looking forward to the next 2 weeks of festivities and Canada winning the Gold medals in Hockey (Men's and Women's) |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 13, 2010 5:19 PM EDT |
> I live in Phoenix Arizona Isn't that the fiefdom of Sheriff Arpaio? > I'd be living in southern Arizona....until about a month ago, when they started getting freaky winter weather, too... Not to worry, the glaciers won't cover all of Arizona. Wait, I mean the rising oceans! Global warming, next ice age, I just can't keep them straight. Which one is getting government funding this year? |
| hkwint Feb 13, 2010 5:45 PM EDT |
Yeah, I like discussing the weather. It is not a violation of TOS, and is never on topic, and every one likes to join the discussion, so it has to be good way of LXer-socializing. Storyteller: Take some European snow. Not for as long as I live - that's the past 25 years - has there been so much snow in my country (over fifty days compared to about twenty days normally). And even more: There's snow in Rome, which has not happened the past 20 years. There was also snow at the beaches of Spain (also not happened for over 20 years), and in Belgium because of the snow there were more km's of traffic jams than the total length of their highways. Nonetheless, I guess Washington DC is closer. Maybe find a way to swap Washington DC with Washington state, those names are almost the same and foreigners always mistake one for the other, so that sounds like a nice idea. If all else fails, do like the Austrians and make your own snow. Bob R, isn't their some nice article about the Austrian point of view of snow? I mean, what does Mises say about the Austrian way to cure a lack of snow with regard to 'Snow Generators' as compared to 'wealth generators?' There must be some interesting article I guess... Or just postpone all snow related sports and start with the ones that doesn't need snow, like all 'indoor' sports such as curling, ice hockey, speed skating etc. There has to be some solution I guess? |
| gus3 Feb 13, 2010 7:37 PM EDT |
I miss Bonnie Blair. Watching her on the long track was like watching poetry on ice. I could always pick her out. |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 13, 2010 7:48 PM EDT |
Bob I have never voted for him not will I ever..but that is a conversation for another place. And there is no worries of rising seas or glaciers in PHX. At 1,100ft above sea level there is very little fear of the Ocean coming in and Glaciers? Blizzards? Ice? Cold? Hah! Please! I live in Phoenix..;-) |
| azerthoth Feb 13, 2010 8:41 PM EDT |
Scott with this global warming dropping snow storms further and further south ... it could happen. We have to stop global warming before it snows in Phoenix!!! |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 13, 2010 8:53 PM EDT |
HK, the only Austrian position I can imagine is that the Free Market will let people figure out how to make as much snow as they can make and still make a profit. There is a solution, but there is no way to know who knows what that solution is, nor does anyone know how to quantify that solution since the solution is subjective in valuation. Ordinal not Cardinal. > Glaciers? Blizzards? Ice? Cold? Hah! Please! I live in Phoenix..;-) The SCA has an annual event in Phoenix, the Estrella war, in February. I've been there, and as you say "cold" is not a good descriptive word. |
| hkwint Feb 13, 2010 9:30 PM EDT |
Cold depends on your frame of reference I guess. I've been to Tunisia a while ago, in March, and it was 'cold' they told me. It was 15°C (59F) and those people were wearing their winter coats. However, I was once in Denmark in the summer, and there were some people from Iceland in front of us (at the camping site). As soon as the mercury hit 13° (55F) they were lying on their back dressed only in short pants and sandals chugging from the heat. Later that day the temperature rose to 30° and they didn't know where to go. It's a bit like frame of reference with respect to software I guess: If you're used to Windows, Linux appears safe. And if you're used to Linux, MacOSX may seem 'approachable' for those who never used a computer. Or something... [quote]Ordinal not Cardinal.[quote] Ordinal nor cardinal but Canonical, like in Mono but not in Stereo? |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 13, 2010 9:42 PM EDT |
> Ordinal nor cardinal but Canonical, like in Mono but not in Stereo? Hk, are you sure English isn't your first language? |
| gus3 Feb 13, 2010 9:59 PM EDT |
Quoting:There is a solution, but there is no way to know who knows what that solution is, nor does anyone know how to quantify that solution since the solution is subjectiveHow can "two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen, temperatures below 0 deg C" be subjective? And what high-school chemistry student doesn't know it? |
| azerthoth Feb 13, 2010 10:14 PM EDT |
Yes gus but I'm tshirt comfortable below that point as well. I just cant take much of anything over 80f. Side effect of being Alaskan I guess. |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 13, 2010 10:18 PM EDT |
> I just cant take much of anything over 80f. Side effect of being Alaskan I guess. Holy cow man, you would literally melt in the Phoenix 110-120 degree summer sun..lol! |
| dinotrac Feb 13, 2010 10:40 PM EDT |
Hmmmm. 110-120 degrees. One thing my life in the south taught me: Dry heat? Ha! At 110-120, what matters is that it's SOME KIND OF FREAKIN' HOT AND NO SENTIENT BEING WOULD GO OUT IN THAT CRAP!!!! |
| jdixon Feb 13, 2010 11:22 PM EDT |
> How can "two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen... 'Twas Hydrogen against Oxygen, The game had just begun When Hydrogen racked up two fast points And Oxygen still had none. Then Oxygen scored a single goal And there they ended the game. At Hydrogen 2, and Oxygen 1, Called because of rain. ---- Kari T. > ...At 110-120, what matters is that it's SOME KIND OF FREAKIN' HOT... Having been in 110 degree heat once or twice, I can verify that. |
| chalbersma Feb 13, 2010 11:34 PM EDT |
Anything from 70F - 0F I'm good. |
| gus3 Feb 13, 2010 11:57 PM EDT |
@jdixon:Quoting:I woke up Saturday morning, And looked up on the wall. The bed-bugs and the cooties Were having a game of ball. The score was six to nothing, The cooties were ahead. The bed-bugs hit a home run And knocked me out of bed! |
| theboomboomcars Feb 14, 2010 12:04 AM EDT |
Thank you jdixon, that is a great poem. I prefer the cool to the warm, because you can always add more layers. Here we get streaks where the temperature will break 100F (38C) for a week in the summer, and have weeks where the temperature doesn't break 10F (-12C) in the winter. |
| jdixon Feb 14, 2010 12:45 AM EDT |
> ...and have weeks where the temperature doesn't break 10F (-12C) in the winter. We had one week in 1977 (when I was in college a few miles north of here) where it never got above 0. That was a moderately impressive cold snap. |
| tuxchick Feb 14, 2010 12:57 AM EDT |
Scott has been busy playing backward drums, naked. |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 14, 2010 1:41 AM EDT |
Not true! Not true! Sideways and Drunk at the time maybe, but never backwards and naked.. ..in public.. ..yet..;-) Carla is referring to my drum-kit. The band I am in just released its first record and I played a gig two nights ago where I set up my kit 'sideways' for the first time so that the audience could essentially look over my shoulder and see what I was doing. Drummers usually set up with their kits facing forward (with the front of their bass drum facing you) so all one can see is some sticks, hair (if they have any) and a wall of shells and cymbals. My bandmates and the audience's reaction was very positive. People who have seen me play many times told me they never realized how much I was doing until now. Several made me swear to set them up that way again.. Talk about going off topic..I swear I am not self promoting which is against the TOS. Scott |
| gus3 Feb 14, 2010 2:04 AM EDT |
Actually, Scott, that isn't off topic at all. You are making a first-hand case for Open Source, that doesn't refer in any way to computers or programming:Quoting:so that the audience could essentially look over my shoulder and see what I was doing.That is a large part of what FOSS is all about. |
| gus3 Feb 14, 2010 2:09 AM EDT |
@jdixon: I remember that cold snap. It was in the middle of the petroleum crunch. My school district shifted the high school into the nearest elementary, and switched everyone to half-days for 6 weeks, to save on the heating bills. |
| azerthoth Feb 14, 2010 2:41 AM EDT |
backwards and naked ... my I think we have just discovered that there really is such a thing as too much open source. Thanks for the image, I have to go bleach my eyes now. |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 14, 2010 4:19 AM EDT |
Serves you right Azer. Just think, after playing for a couple hours I would be all sweaty and covered in wood chips...;-) |
| azerthoth Feb 14, 2010 4:23 AM EDT |
I'd scream with caps lock on, but that really doesn't convey my reaction properly however my dependence on sleeping pills has suddenly been cured (by curium?) the upcoming nightmares are not ones that I dont want to be able to escape from. Freddy Kruger who ... no that's Scott. |
| dinotrac Feb 14, 2010 7:47 AM EDT |
azerthoth -- Look a little more carefully and be relieved. That knife you see -- the small one -- isn't. |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 14, 2010 10:14 AM EDT |
Awww, Dino is checking out my special spot..LOL!! |
| dinotrac Feb 14, 2010 10:30 AM EDT |
Scott - All in the name of nano-science. |
| TxtEdMacs Feb 14, 2010 11:28 AM EDT |
Quoting:.I swear I am not self promoting which is against the TOS.Scott, fear NOT. With 110 - 120 F highs, even if your intention was to plug your gigs the former would suffice to keep major traffic well to the North. Moreover, having experienced wet heat where returning to one's apartment at night where the vapor most times condensed on one's body, because it was easier on the gods than calling for rain - just reading that range makes me nauseous. BTW, if it's heavy metal it would be another reason to stay away. That is, unless it is something I happen to like. [Do you offer ear plugs at the door?] YBT |
| hkwint Feb 14, 2010 1:10 PM EDT |
Amazing, how these threads are about Mono one day, about the weather the next three days and then you go to bed, and when you wake up it really turned perverse. I don't want to know what tomorrow will bring... Az: Buy eyeplugs. |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 14, 2010 1:41 PM EDT |
Nano-science..I love it! lol!! No, no heavy metal Herschel Here are some videos you can check out of our record release gig at a place called 'The Sail Inn' in Tempe.. http://www.curiumband.com/leer_moving.htm |
| hkwint Feb 14, 2010 2:51 PM EDT |
How clever Scott, referring to Jeanne Hersch, the Swiss philosopher who studied freedom - to remain on topic! |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 14, 2010 3:49 PM EDT |
Topic? What topic? |
| gus3 Feb 14, 2010 4:53 PM EDT |
I wish I were in the sunny topics right now... |
| TxtEdMacs Feb 14, 2010 6:24 PM EDT |
Hans, Mono is a disease, I had it once. Now all students are required to be inoculated prior to being allowed on campus (I am assuming that applies at most colleges in the U.S.). Now that the topic is biology, I have a great article on BioEngineering using open source BioBricks to build new life forms: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14Biology-t.html?... The title is: Do-It-Yourself Genetic Engineering. YBT |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 14, 2010 6:24 PM EDT |
Speaking of IPv6, I found this interesting development. The D-Link DIR-615 version C ran IPv6 and acted as a tunnel termination, basically a wonderful way to implement IPv6 right now. ...but the version D doesn't. At the same time, their DIR-825 didn't do IPv6, but version B does! And the pages from the product manual available at the D-Link web site demonstrate the same functionality that the DIR-615 previous version had. Funny thing, the -825 is about $80 more. They wouldn't have realized they could get people to buy the more expensive version, could they? Just musing. |
| hkwint Feb 15, 2010 5:45 AM EDT |
Huh? Were we talking about IPv6? Or is it just another bit of Bob-humor? |
| dinotrac Feb 15, 2010 7:34 AM EDT |
Hans -- You misunderstand completely. We have sunk into potty humor. In the US, V-8 is a vegetable juice. Three quarters of what goes in comes out. |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 15, 2010 10:47 AM EDT |
V8? Really? And we haven't even implemented V6 fully yet. Gosh, I love mass marketing and OpenSource software development. Just as I get used to one thing, it gets changed. Again. If I could have any car, it would be the 1986 Saab 900. The pinnacle of Sweedish aircraft engineering. |
| dinotrac Feb 15, 2010 11:17 AM EDT |
>The pinnacle of Sweedish aircraft engineering. Some wonderful and quirky cars have come from those folks. Sad to see the current state of the company. |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 15, 2010 4:13 PM EDT |
On Friday, I think, when it was so blasted windy around here, I had to drive to get something. The wind was so strong, it was blowing the car around on the road. So much so I took pains not to cruise next to anyone, just in case. I noticed that everyone else was having much the same problem. Even in Utah, where they get some serious winds, that Saab stuck to the road like glue. No matter what the wind was doing, it never seemed to effect the car enough for me to really have to deal with it. Then they came out with the 9000, and they looked just like everyone else's cars. Boring. |
| hkwint Feb 15, 2010 6:26 PM EDT |
Oh man, this one really is too easy...Quoting:Sad to see the current state of the company ... Then they came out with the 9000, and they looked just like everyone else's cars. Boring. If accurate, that leads me to only one conclusion... It's General Motors that led to the current sad state of the company and only boring cars (like everyone else's cars) being produced. So basically you're saying GM screwed up. Given Saab only lost money after it was bought by GM, and since GM is bankrupt nowadays and had to be bought by the US citizens to survive, that statement surely can't be denied. Thank God (sorry TOS) Saab was saved from the grave. Sure, it's still with one foot in the grave as it was bought by some silly Dutch guy that never made any profit with his first brand BTW, but apart from that it's the second car manufacturer with an 'aero history' he buys. Which brings us back to V.4: It's the last aeroplane Spyker produced (during the 20's). So we're back on topic after a short detour it seems. |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 15, 2010 7:27 PM EDT |
My favorite motorcycle was a v4. |
| dinotrac Feb 16, 2010 11:29 AM EDT |
Hans -- GM has a long and proud history of screwing up cars, going back to the soulless reign Roger Smith (of "Roger and Me" fame) a financial type, who saw cars only in terms of "units". Prior to Smith, GM had the generic American car company problems -- product mix that reflected an older reality, quality control that fit the world of new care every other year buyers, and a conviction that small = cheaply made. But -- they also had some audacious engineering and styling chops. The Corvair, unfairly maligned by the Naderites, was one of the most interesting (and entertaining) cars ever produced in the US -- especially after the 1965 suspension redesign. The Corvette was always (except for the ealry 1970s) good for a thrill or two, and things like the humangaloid Olds Toronado and Cadillac ElDorado were the ultimate surreal implementations of the Austin Mini -- giant high-power front wheel drive cars that conspicuously avoided any of the packaging efficiency (save for a flat rear floor) that led small car makers in that direction. Smith led to units with badges, nearly-identical (and boring) cars old at multiple price-points, including the absurd Cadillac Cimarron. People got wise and Smith proved to an honest observer that financial types can ruin a non-financial company. |
| hkwint Feb 17, 2010 8:41 AM EDT |
Hey, you were not supposed to agree! Now our OT discussion is over, because we can't discuss something we agree on (Yes, Corvette's are nice, you see, no discussion!)Quoting:I've asked TomTom on numerous occassions, and they still won't support Linux desktops. TomTom is irrelevant now that Google Maps etc. runs on Android I guess. Another company RIP, overtaken by technological progress and cheap mass market smartphones. They'd better start selling PND's you can use to text and phone, using VOIP etc. |
| jdixon Feb 17, 2010 10:24 AM EDT |
> People got wise and Smith proved to an honest observer that financial types can ruin a non-financial company. Agreed, but incompetent management can ruin any company, whether they come from the financial side or not. Look how good a job Immelt is doing at GE. |
| dinotrac Feb 17, 2010 11:52 AM EDT |
Yeah, but he's a Harvard MBA. That's a whole special category of bad. |
| jdixon Feb 17, 2010 6:23 PM EDT |
> That's a whole special category of bad. Ain't that the truth. |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 17, 2010 8:32 PM EDT |
> That's a whole special category of bad. It's the illusion of credibility that causes the most harm. |
| azerthoth Feb 18, 2010 1:39 PM EDT |
> It's the illusion of credibility that causes the most harm. example: see windows |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 18, 2010 2:36 PM EDT |
> example: see windows What? You can't think of several other Harvard grads that fit the description? |
| dinotrac Feb 18, 2010 2:43 PM EDT |
>What? You can't think of several other Harvard grads that fit the description? Sane people purge such thoughts from their minds. |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 18, 2010 4:27 PM EDT |
> Sane people... Ah, that explains it. |
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