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The Little Desktop That Could

Posted by albinard on Oct 19, 2011 9:10 PM · 34 comments
LXer Linux News; By Emery Fletcher



LXer Feature: 19-Oct-2011

Once upon a time, not so very long ago, the Elder Gods of the Digital Universe decreed that the Icon would rule the World of Desktops, just as it had dominated the Land of the Hand-held since the dawn of time. No matter that on a giant monitor the Firefox appeared at nearly life size, all desktop items were to be stripped of verbal clues to the nature of their meaning.

To this decree the citizens of the State of Microsoft responded with their customary grumbles about the dictatorial nature of their government, but plodded dutifully along in lockstep. The inhabitants of the Apple Garden actually applauded the change and gave praise to their Great Leader for beautifying the walls of their garden yet again.

Even among the usually combative throng that populates Linuxville there were those who were inclined to accept the Desktop by Default. Though they disputed mightily among themselves as they always did, many of them actually tried to see something good in the New Order, and found a feature here and there which they could still alter a bit to gratify their need for a sense of control.

And one scruffy little community that had formed on the very outermost outskirts of Linuxville found a way to get around the Cosmic Decree entirely and keep the age-old Desktop Tradition alive. They called themselves LXDE.

Storybook matters aside, I really don't understand how the leaderships of three fiercely independent, highly competitive operating systems abruptly and simultaneously began to pursue a single goal, the total iconification of the desktop so that its screen would resemble an over-sized phone. It is especially puzzling since the change apparently requires a reduction, rather than an expansion, of the capabilities of the desktop.

I am particularly amazed that so many Linux distros have been swept up in this tsunami of icon-only desktops. Whether it is Unity or Gnome 3 is utterly irrelevant, because both have embraced the new idea and rejected all possibility of alternatives or even some form of compromise. But this is Linux we're talking about. This is a system that was built on freedom and has never accepted arbitrary control. That's what makes the recent developments so shocking.

There are choices in Linux, of course, and the range of choice depends simply on your level of expertise and your willingness to work at it. The less expertise, the more work – and at my level I really thought I'd never get to the point of being able to do the job. What I didn't realize at first was that somebody had already done most of the really hard work and built a desktop manager even I could use to shape my system the way I like. I call it The Little Desktop That Could: LXDE.

LXDE has been an option for some time now on most distros, but for new-to-intermediate users like me it is easiest to use if it is presented as the master desktop of an entire integral system. I got started in Linux with Ubuntu (9.04) and apart from general distro-hopping I've mostly stayed with it. I don't claim it's the best, it's just what I'm most familiar with. My ticket to escape from the Unity desktop came when a reasonably stable release of Lubuntu tackled the 11.04 version of its parent Ubuntu. Here was a distro that even I could shape the way I liked it.

The Lubuntu distro in its basic form is not what I am looking for. I'm not a fan of the minimalist Abiword that it contains, because I much prefer the far more powerful LibreOffice Writer. I have no interest in the whole set of Penguin Solitaires that ships with Lubuntu, but I often waste endless time listening to Pandora and playing the visually more attractive AisleRiot solitaires. I like a totally icon-free desktop, but I never found a visual effect in Compiz that I didn't love to play with. In short, I have a totally irrational but exact idea of a desktop I find personally desirable, and I'm willing to work for it.

LXDE can do the job, but it takes a bit of getting used to. The menu looks pretty sparse at first and it only cascades one level, but there is a lot of flexibility there. My first move is always to the Synaptic Package Manager, where I can install LibreOffice (Writer only, none of the other parts), AisleRiot, Compiz, and anything else I think of, and at the same time get rid of what I think I'll never use (I can always change my mind and put it back later).

The end result of this? There is no end result – that is the real magic of it. You can make a system that is light on its feet and faster than you'd ever think your machine can work, and then in a fit of productivity turn it into a huge complex that contains everything including the digital kitchen sink. And if you find yourself missing an icon here or there, you can have those too.

How long this escape route will remain open is hard to say. Already Synaptic in Lubuntu 11.10 steered me to the newer Compiz version 0.9.x, which is apparently a bit more resource-hungry than the previous one. This time rotating the Sphere or Cylinder strains the capabilities of my oldest machine and its graphics card. Still, the basic Ubuntu 11.04 in its un-embellished state was already near the limit for that machine, so I feel I can count on a few more cycles of upgrades before I have to strip that old box of all its graphics toys.

I know this isn't the kind of article that usually shows up on LXer, but I don't think it hurts to let you Movers and Shakers of the community know that there are a lot of us out there who know just enough of computing to be able to appreciate the work you folks have done. You've let us learn the rudiments of your trade, and in the process made it possible for us to create our own little digital worlds just the way we want. Thank you!

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love lxde

4 earlier comments in the full thread.

Quoting:"I really don't understand how the leaderships of three fiercely independent, highly competitive operating systems abruptly and simultaneously began to pursue a single goal, the total iconification of the desktop so that its screen would resemble an over-sized phone."


It's beyond strange, borderline conspiratorial stuff for sure.

Nice that helios will stick to a tried and true desktop that meets the wants of an ordinary person. I just hope other distributions follow suit and forks start to emerge that won't sink within 2-3 months.

kennethh wrote:It's beyond strange, borderline conspiratorial stuff for sure.


"Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity."

There's no conspiracy here, it's just a case of plain ol' jumping on the bandwagon.
> "Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity."

Except that, by and large, these don't seem to be either stupid or incompetent people.
jdixon wrote:Except that, by and large, these don't seem to be either stupid or incompetent people.


http://www.despair.com/meetings.html (I saw one years ago that was even better, with the same tagline but the picture showed about a dozen mice all caught in the same trap. Wish I could find it now.)

Organizations are almost always stupid. Just look at MS; they've been making utterly stupid blunders for years and years: ActiveX, Zune, heck their entire marketing division couldn't sell water in the desert, contrast that with Apple whose marketing can sell ice to Eskimos. One of the three here is MS with Win8/Metro. Gnome isn't much better; a bunch of software geeks who've been jumping on the bandwagon for a decade now with their "usability studies", making things "less confusing", etc. The only organization that's been making a lot of successful moves in this bunch is Apple, and if you look at them, they're actually the most conservative from what I can tell: they have their touchscreen UI on their iPhone of course, but are they doing that on OS X? Their latest seems to be making some small moves along those lines, but overall it isn't really that different from the previous versions of OS X. It's Gnome3 and Win8 that, compared to their previous versions, are a giant change. Apple's just doing what it's always done, marketing to non-power users/non-technical people/people who like easy-to-use and shiny things even if it means locking them in and restricting their activities, and the other two are jealous of their success in that market and trying to copy them, and doing a poor job of it. Both of them are missing some important factors, namely that they're playing in different markets (in which Apple is NOT successful), and their lame attempts at copying Apple are just going to hurt them in the places they're strong at. Gnome is a Linux DE, and Linux users simply aren't like Apple users, they're almost the diametric opposite. Trying to make your UI look and work like Apple's, along with all the restrictions, isn't going to gain you many fans in the Linux crowd, which tends to be full of highly technical users and others who like "getting their hands dirty". MS is strong in the business market, which despite all its efforts, Apple simply hasn't done very well in. Businesses don't like change, and changing Windows too much too fast is going to hurt them; just look at the horrifically bad corporate adoption rate of Vista when that came out; none of the businesses upgraded to that, they just stuck with XP until Win7 came out. With the Metro UI, Win8 is going to be an even bigger dud than Vista.
So what's the difference between Vista and later Windowses? Not much that I can see, just more lipstick on the same bloaty pig. With apologies to pigs. It's still the best and most efficient portal into the World Wide Botnet and unnecessary hardware upgrades.
@tuxchick: From what I hear, they fixed a lot of the performance problems that plagued Vista. Plus, computing hardware caught up, so fancy UI effects aren't the performance-killer they once were. Here's an article that goes into some detail:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/152895/windows_7_first_look_a...

One thing they touch on was UAC, where Vista would ask "are you sure?" for every little thing, which apparently really annoyed people.

Do the changes make it great? Certainly not. But apparently not as horrible as Vista, which was largely reviled. I guess this one's "good enough" so people stopped complaining.
Quoting:where Vista would ask "are you sure?" for every little thing, which apparently really annoyed people.


Coming in Windows 8, users won't be annoyed anymore sine the questions will be going to the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) to pose the question to the BIOS. They will be up the creek without a paddle since they won't have any say at all.



I had users -- in my own company -- complaining about one of my sites not working right. Yep, turns out they were running Vista and IE 7. Can't a player catch a break?
Helios said: "We're going to be looking at this for HeliOS. Given the fact that both Canonical and Gnome want to impose their "vision" on us, the lxde option is attractive.

My suggestion for those who want to impose their visions on others....

Purple microdot. You can tell us all about it later."

Really? I just lost all respect for you. Unity is just one DE among many, and no one is forcing you to use it. So in effect, all distros are imposing their vision on us. The lxde devs are imposing their vision, along with kde, gnome, and any other DE. People like you make me sick. If you were being forced to use something, then I could understand, but Ubuntu and any other distro can use ANY DE. Now you can go back to playing with yourself while looking at pics of RMS.
@GaryBaxter, does someone need a hug?
@GaryBaxter -

Quoting:Now you can go back to playing with yourself while looking at pics of RMS.


Not big on research and facts, are you?

Never mind your ignorance of such a statement WRT to helios. You're not required to know about him or what he does.

But...

Did you read the freakin' article?

It centers around Lubuntu -- clue alert!! -- a version of Ubuntu. Gosh! There's that freedom thing.

Maybe, just maybe, he was referring to desktop environments instead of distribution. Yeah, I now that "Canonical and Gnome" might have been confusing given that one is the company behind the Ubuntu distribution and the other is both an organization behind a desktop environment and the desktop environment itself, but...

ya know, Canonical is also the organization behind Unity, so...

a little actual reasoning might have gotten you to where you needed to be.













> ...a little actual reasoning might have gotten you to where you needed to be.

Always the optimist, aren't you Dino?
@jdixon:

I always hold out the hope that my fellow person will be a bright and reasonable human bean.
Really? I just lost all respect for you.

Really? It that all it took? I was willing to work a lot harder than it, but he!!, if that's all, I'll take it and call it a day.

Well, no...not quite yet.

Unity is just one DE among many,...

While true, it is also the DE that potentially disrupted hundreds of thousands, if not millions of users. Oh, so if you don't like it, you can change to another DE? Really? I don't know about your spare time ratio, but changing the DE on my desktops is a major interruption for my 14 - 16 hour days. Canonical/Ubuntu showed not only disdain for their users by making Unity default choice in Ubuntu 11.10, they showed a complete lack of disrespect to the hundreds or thousands of individuals who helped Ubuntu become what it was.

Ubuntu states that they want to garner 200 million users. I'm guessing most of those will be new users because of the hundreds of friends and colleagues I have, maybe a handful of them are staying with Ubuntu. Again, it all comes down to a matter of trust. If I cannot trust you to produce a stable and reliable desktop, then you are not getting my loyalty, my money OR my endorsement.

The 300-400 new Linux users we create in a year at HeliOS will not see Ubuntu/Gnome3/Unity. This maybe a microscopic sliver in the scope of things but multiply that by as many people as Canonical pissed off and what you have is the most silent mass exodus in history.
@Grishnakh, now there is an idea for a slogan-- "New, with somewhat less suckage!" How awesome for one of the richest companies of all time.
"So what's the difference between Vista and later Windowses? Not much that I can see, just more lipstick on the same bloaty pig. With apologies to pigs. It's still the best and most efficient portal into the World Wide Botnet and unnecessary hardware upgrades."

Nice!! Very well said!!
As a frequent user of Windowses XP and 7, I can report that they are vastly more similar than different.

And Helios has to deal with real users, so I don't blame his desire to give them a desktop environment that is comfortable and familiar. It's enough of an uphill climb without having to explain Unity or GNOME 3.

LXDE and Xfce get my vote, though my desktop for one remains GNOME 2 in Debian Squeeze.
[quote]So what's the difference between Vista and later Windowses? Not much that I can see, ...[?quote]

Apart from the Viruses and the constant need to keep cr@ppy anti virus applications updated. The same this that annoyed me on windows 95 are still there in Windows 7, and more annoying things have been added.

The inability to actually delete anything unless you remember the correct Mouse/key combination. the fact that you must always select a scrollable area before you commence scrolling, other wise the other scrollable area you were just in will scroll ( I always forget to do this). Copy and move only work as expected when between directories on the same partition (read Disk in Microsoft new speak). You have to have a file extension that Windows will recognize, otherwise the wrong or no application will open the file. Microsoft hide the d@mn file extensions. Microsoft hide any useful information, and you have to hunt around to find out how to unhide it.

I would say Windows, whatever it's called XP, Vista, 7, is the same pig with more lipstick.
The last time I was over at my folks' place to do battle with my father's regrettable XP habit, I was able to persuade the file manager to unhide known extensions (to his relief). Has that option been removed in 7?
@CR, it's still there same place.

Desktop? what Desktop?

No desktop.

No icons.

No desktop background.

No colors.

No unneccesary images.

Not an inch of screenspace wasted.

http://i3wm.org/

or the little windowmanager that could.
Gee, I thought you were describing the text console.
Sounds like twm. :)
Much the same, but infinitely more versatile: http://awesome.naquadah.org/
No phones.

No lights.

No motor cars.

Not a single luxury . . . .

Pry my fluxbox from my cold dead etc. I shall give i3 a try.
Why bother with a window manager at all? Just get a VT102 terminal, connect it through a serial port, and use the console. You can do everything you need there, right?
i've been doing that with a vt420, over a modem line, dialing manually with AT commands.

greetings, eMBee.

As long as there is choice...

As long as there is choice, does it matter what direction the *desktop* takes...??? I stick with Ubuntu, although I have tried many distros. When Unity came around in 11.04, I blanched - I fought it and swore I would not even try it. Funny - I did try Unity and liked it. Then 11.10 comes along, I hated Unity - it seemed quirky, although it was supposed to be *improved* - I tried Gnome Shell instead and guess what? I like it. As long as we have choices, that's what matters. I run Linux on all my workstations for my business, with varying desktops, even LXDE on one of them.

If choice disappears, THEN we have a serious problem in our community, since Linux IS all about CHOICE. We need to keep that alive at all costs, offering something for everyone, even those of us who are crazy enough to like Unity and Gnome Shell... :-D

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