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Ubuntu 10.04 is Released
The Ubuntu team is pleased to announce Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Long-Term Support).
This release incorporates the Desktop Edition and the Server Edition. The
Server Edition can be used on physical servers, on Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud
(UEC), and on Amazon's EC2 public cloud. Codenamed "Lucid Lynx", 10.04 LTS
continues Ubuntu's proud tradition of integrating the latest and greatest
open source technologies into a high-quality, easy-to-use Linux
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re torrents, if your sharing bandwidth with others, even if throttled it's a hellishly noisy protocol. Something to be considered when choosing that method is remembering that it will suck any and all available bandwidth just with it's keep alive's. For servers hosting iso's its wonderful as it backs down their bandwidth usage, but for ISP's and shared access points it's a nightmare.
I'm downloading the 64-bit version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 beta 1. I already have the 32-bit version. To me this is much more interesting (and useful) than Ubuntu.
Oh, and I'm getting it straight from the Red Hat FTP site using wget. It's averaging 170-180kbps and it's not slowing down or stopping my web browsing or other net activity the way bittorrent does.
I agree with az. I'm not a fan of bittorrent for precisely that reason. It's also often way slower than standard FTP when using it for something other than Ubuntu on release day.
Oh, and I'm getting it straight from the Red Hat FTP site using wget. It's averaging 170-180kbps and it's not slowing down or stopping my web browsing or other net activity the way bittorrent does.
I agree with az. I'm not a fan of bittorrent for precisely that reason. It's also often way slower than standard FTP when using it for something other than Ubuntu on release day.
Certainly RHEL 6 is a huge deal because it'll be around for an age and then some.
Running 10.4 RC here, dual booting with Windows 7, with no trouble at all.
(Once you get to the point where you start sneering at other Linux users cus they're not using the right version of Linux - you've lost the plot entirely).
(Once you get to the point where you start sneering at other Linux users cus they're not using the right version of Linux - you've lost the plot entirely).
I use bittorrent for almost all my downoads, I've never noticed any degrading od performance on my system, and I get to feel good, because by sharing the BT I can contribute back something to the community.... my bandwidth. BTW all uploads from my system are unmetered, so I go make torrents available 24/7.
What's the rush? It's just another Ubuntu release, not a fine beer and chocolate release.
TC if you wait too long, the next one will be out, and you'll have to start waiting all over again.
So, tuxchick, a new version of something like this would get you moving quickly, I'd bet:
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/youngs-double-chocolate-stout/1...
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/youngs-double-chocolate-stout/1...
The only world wide release I am looking forward to with any great zeal is Guinness Black Lager.
@azertoth,
Why not enjoy that nice lager or any other fine, non-flat beer ;) while you're waiting for the LL iso to slowly download or torrent-in?
At least it's a good excuse as long as you're not doing this on-the-job (enjoying the beer, that is).
-fb
Dreaming of good stout chewy beers....Paul Rubens wrote an interesting piece on how he thinks Apple has abandoned the desktop and server in favor of specialized toys, and Ubuntu is poised to take over:
http://www.serverwatch.com/eur/article.php/3878846/Ubuntus-L...
LL download ... heaven forbid. I haven't spent the last few years learning the ins and outs of Gentoo to go back to any binary 'you get what you get and you'll like it' distro. Mind you thats not a specific knock against Ubuntu, rather a gripe against 99% of all binary distro's. It would take more than beer for that to happen. Mayhaps if I was hitting the Bushmills too hard one night and managed to catch Computer Coyote Syndrome.
@az:
I'll take a primarily-binary distro over a "build it yourself, hope it works and the source code is reasonably bug-free, and good luck with your filesystem fragmentation!" distro any day.
But if you really, really want to build it yourself, you can get all the build scripts for Slackware packages, and tinker to your heart's content.
I'll take a primarily-binary distro over a "build it yourself, hope it works and the source code is reasonably bug-free, and good luck with your filesystem fragmentation!" distro any day.
But if you really, really want to build it yourself, you can get all the build scripts for Slackware packages, and tinker to your heart's content.
I agree gus3. I feel like Ubuntu etc. are more like appliances than operating systems, but I don't like the idea of having to compile everything either. Slackware and Arch as well are good if you want the option of compiling with little effort. For me the nice thing is that I can type one command and be installing a new version of some application an hour after it is released. Sometimes I've had to wait months for updated binaries on other distros, and then I'm digging through source files trying to figure out the incantations necessary to get it to compile.
I wanted to like building applications from source with BSD ports, but I just can't stand it most of the time. I hate to wait.
Sabayon is another good binary distro that is easy to build on.
Quoting:I wanted to like building applications from source with BSD ports, but I just can't stand it most of the time. I hate to wait.Well, given the hardware you use for experimenting, the wait is no surprise. Compiling is one of the more intense tasks a computer can do, right up there with protein simulations and the Large Hadron Collider.
@theboomboom, that was in the 1% that I mentioned. I might be a tad biased though on Sabayon.
az, you maybe. But it is a fantastic distro that doesn't get mentioned enough.
One thing I can say about my adventures with the ports tree in FreeBSD and OpenBSD is that things go a lot better in i386. I wouldn't wish my time building ports in OpenBSD for 32-bit SPARC on anybody. That's a 50 MHz CPU (true, a SPARC at 50 MHz is more efficient that an Intel CPU of the same clock speed ...), and with so many ports that just refused to build, the frustration got the better of me.
Up until the three-day-long port upgrade that sunk my FreeBSD 7.3 installation, the few ports I did build turned out really well. I did easy ones like gThumb and even a few hard ones like Firefox 3.6. It was the system trying to rebuild every app from Ports that really killed me.
Up until the three-day-long port upgrade that sunk my FreeBSD 7.3 installation, the few ports I did build turned out really well. I did easy ones like gThumb and even a few hard ones like Firefox 3.6. It was the system trying to rebuild every app from Ports that really killed me.
It's released.... and it's broken
21 earlier comments in the full thread.
Well, just to make everyone more excited. I just installed on my work machine (Dell Optiplex 755) and dual boot w/Win7 Ent. looks good. Lucid Lynx looks awesome, but we'll see if it's as good as I anticipate it should be. Flash works, Quicktime works, other video's work. This weekend I have three more machines to upgrade (desktop, laptop, and netbook) and will probably test server next week.
This was a pretty minor bug and they fixed it fast. Nobody crabs at Fedora for their Grub implementation, which automagically finds Windowses and adds them to the boot menu, but not other Linuxes.
Buzz is good for all Linuxes. Carry on!
Buzz is good for all Linuxes. Carry on!
If only MS Windows would not have been listed by GRUB2 due to the bug, then it would have been a feature :)
@caitlyn
Seriously, your repeated diatribes on the state of Ubuntu have become a bit tiresome now. Yes its clear over and over again that you are not particularly fond of Ubuntu and are a fan of RHEL x, so why not just ignore Ubuntu?
@caitlyn
Seriously, your repeated diatribes on the state of Ubuntu have become a bit tiresome now. Yes its clear over and over again that you are not particularly fond of Ubuntu and are a fan of RHEL x, so why not just ignore Ubuntu?
Ubuntu's the 2,000-pound elephant in the room. Whether it's true or not (and I tend to believe it is), Ubuntu represents the best hope of taking Linux mainstream on the desktop.
That's why we all talk/write/kvetch about Ubuntu.
As I say whenever I'm critical about Ubuntu, it is held to a higher standard - and I personally hold it to that standard as well.
It's "Linux for Human Beings," as the slogan goes. With that claim comes great responsibility, and while Ubuntu is a relatively polished product, I personally don't think it — or any Linux distribution — is ready for real, non-geek "human beings" at this point.
I first started using Linux because I had piles of computers but no Windows discs or licenses. Glad I discovered Linux (and eventually OpenBSD and FreeBSD), and I think as distros such as Ubuntu get better and better there will be more uptake with potential users.
I just don't see any other distribution or company with the ambition (and money) of Ubuntu and Canonical going for the desktop market.
Hence we all talk about it whether we like/love/hate it.
That's why we all talk/write/kvetch about Ubuntu.
As I say whenever I'm critical about Ubuntu, it is held to a higher standard - and I personally hold it to that standard as well.
It's "Linux for Human Beings," as the slogan goes. With that claim comes great responsibility, and while Ubuntu is a relatively polished product, I personally don't think it — or any Linux distribution — is ready for real, non-geek "human beings" at this point.
I first started using Linux because I had piles of computers but no Windows discs or licenses. Glad I discovered Linux (and eventually OpenBSD and FreeBSD), and I think as distros such as Ubuntu get better and better there will be more uptake with potential users.
I just don't see any other distribution or company with the ambition (and money) of Ubuntu and Canonical going for the desktop market.
Hence we all talk about it whether we like/love/hate it.
Thanks, Steven. You said it better than I could.
Funny how nobody remembers when I was complimentary of 9.10 (Karmic) when it came out. The Ubuntu haters were all over me. Now if I write an article critical of Ubuntu or make a comment in a forum it's a "diatribe". LOL.
Red Hat is the de facto standard in the enterprise with upwards of 70% of Linux installs, so I write about it. Ubuntu is the winner in the media hype wars and, at least in that respect, is the leader on the desktop, so I write about it. That won't change anytime soon.
Funny how nobody remembers when I was complimentary of 9.10 (Karmic) when it came out. The Ubuntu haters were all over me. Now if I write an article critical of Ubuntu or make a comment in a forum it's a "diatribe". LOL.
Red Hat is the de facto standard in the enterprise with upwards of 70% of Linux installs, so I write about it. Ubuntu is the winner in the media hype wars and, at least in that respect, is the leader on the desktop, so I write about it. That won't change anytime soon.
Darn, I missed the party. Are we finally allowed to discuss 10.04? Because I'm tired of all this waiting before articles about 10.04 finally appeared...
Right Hans and I just have to vent. The latest sound volume indicator applet in 10.04 sucks and I hate purple. That is all.
> Quality is often an afterthought rather than the primary goal.
What can I say, they're obviously serious about replacing Microsoft on the desktop.
What can I say, they're obviously serious about replacing Microsoft on the desktop.
We're all members of the global diatribe!
Quoting:Right Hans and I just have to vent. The latest sound volume indicator applet in 10.04 sucks and I hate purple. That is all.That's aubergine to you, I had someone used that word on me today.
Now that it's released, I hope there won't be so much Ubuntu news.
Too late. As I type this, the latest 3 stories are all Ubuntu (although one of them is "is it b0rkz0r3d?").
If I understand this correctly, the "bug" (apparently now fixed) involved not allowing Windows to boot in a dual-boot scenario.
To me, that's a feature :-)
To me, that's a feature :-)
Quoting:If I understand this correctly, the "bug" (apparently now fixed) involved not allowing Windows to boot in a dual-boot scenario.
Unfortunately it wasn't just Windows but any other OS: another Linux distro, BSD, you name it... While I appreciate how you feel about Windows (I feel the same way) for many newcomers to Linux maintaining a Windows partition is a security blanket that makes the changeover less frightening.
@caitlyn
> Funny how nobody remembers when I was complimentary of 9.10 (Karmic) when it came out.
Interestingly it was mostly based on "works for me". In any case it is unrelated.
> Now if I write an article critical of Ubuntu or make a comment in a forum it's a "diatribe". LOL.
An article and comment spelling the deficiencies is good -- I have written comments about the same in the past. This is turning into a "diatribe" because the same has been repeated many many times by yourself recently, namely QA of Ubuntu is not good etc. Its probably time for you (and some others) to move on.
> Funny how nobody remembers when I was complimentary of 9.10 (Karmic) when it came out.
Interestingly it was mostly based on "works for me". In any case it is unrelated.
> Now if I write an article critical of Ubuntu or make a comment in a forum it's a "diatribe". LOL.
An article and comment spelling the deficiencies is good -- I have written comments about the same in the past. This is turning into a "diatribe" because the same has been repeated many many times by yourself recently, namely QA of Ubuntu is not good etc. Its probably time for you (and some others) to move on.
@krisum: When you become my editor you will have the right to tell me what to write and what not to write. Not until then.
krisum -
The proper time to move on is when the problems do likewise.
The proper time to move on is when the problems do likewise.
Quoting:Anyone notice that if you ever disagree with a fanbois you are "biased".
You mean like my wife did when she tried Ubuntu and didn't like it and then got trashed by all the fanboys out there IN 2005? http://linux-blog.org/experiment-15-ubuntu-504-hoary-final-r...
yes, I've been saying the same thing about those fanboys for 5 years now...although, my voice is getting weak and old :)
Ubuntu in particular and Linux distributions in general should pay more attention to fixing bugs AND preventing regressions when bugs are fixed and features are added.
One of the reasons why most OSes have extremely long-term support (I'm thinking Windows and RHEL) is that new features and hardware support often break features and support for older hardware. Sure there's the possibility that regressions will be fixed in subsequent updates, but that doesn't happen in every (or maybe even in most) cases.
Ubuntu's policy of releasing every six months yet keeping an LTS around for 3 years on the desktop is a nice compromise. The only wrinkle in this particular LTS, 10.04, is there are so many new features that Ubuntu could very well end up with an LTS release with too many regressions. But it has support for more new hardware now, and that will serve the release over the next couple of years of life.
So it's a delicate balancing act for any software release.
And it's the problems that affect us as individual users that end up getting a lot of attention in the blogs. What Linux, the kernel, and Xorg, the project, have done to users of "legacy" Intel video in service of giving users of more recent Intel video a better experience - it's nothing short of tragic.
I'm no expert - and never claim to be one - but as a user I would've been much better served by Linux and Xorg leaving the i810 driver alone and using the newer Intel driver strictly for the newer chipsets.
I went from auto-configured X in Debian Etch to needing a simple xorg.conf in Lenny and Ubuntu Gutsy to no xorg.conf AND working 3-D in Hardy to a slightly more complicated xorg.conf in Interpid, that xorg.conf and turning off kernel mode setting in Ubuntu Jaunty, and now back to no xorg.conf, still turning off kernel mode setting but NO 3-D in Debian Squeeze and Ubuntu Lucid.
The short version: It's been a struggle to get Xorg to work properly since the 2.6.18 kernel.
I've been persistent about keeping Linux and BSDs working on three laptops with Intel 830m chipsets, but how many users tried a live CD and were faced with a blank or artifact-marred screen and ran back to Windows? I bet many.
So I'm not piling on Ubuntu here. Despite all the marketing, at many levels they're taking Debian Sid (or Squeeze) and doing a bit of rebranding and bolting on a few features. In turn, Debian is taking what's happening in thousands of upstream projects and putting it together the "Debian" way.
Half of the fascination/angst over Ubuntu is the project's (and for-profit parent company's) own marketing. The other half is the fanboy army gushing over every new wallpaper.
I think Ubuntu is a great project - probably one of the best FOSS projects ever. But when you're on top (as Ubuntu is in the Linux distro world at this point), expect people to look at you and say what they think.
One of the reasons why most OSes have extremely long-term support (I'm thinking Windows and RHEL) is that new features and hardware support often break features and support for older hardware. Sure there's the possibility that regressions will be fixed in subsequent updates, but that doesn't happen in every (or maybe even in most) cases.
Ubuntu's policy of releasing every six months yet keeping an LTS around for 3 years on the desktop is a nice compromise. The only wrinkle in this particular LTS, 10.04, is there are so many new features that Ubuntu could very well end up with an LTS release with too many regressions. But it has support for more new hardware now, and that will serve the release over the next couple of years of life.
So it's a delicate balancing act for any software release.
And it's the problems that affect us as individual users that end up getting a lot of attention in the blogs. What Linux, the kernel, and Xorg, the project, have done to users of "legacy" Intel video in service of giving users of more recent Intel video a better experience - it's nothing short of tragic.
I'm no expert - and never claim to be one - but as a user I would've been much better served by Linux and Xorg leaving the i810 driver alone and using the newer Intel driver strictly for the newer chipsets.
I went from auto-configured X in Debian Etch to needing a simple xorg.conf in Lenny and Ubuntu Gutsy to no xorg.conf AND working 3-D in Hardy to a slightly more complicated xorg.conf in Interpid, that xorg.conf and turning off kernel mode setting in Ubuntu Jaunty, and now back to no xorg.conf, still turning off kernel mode setting but NO 3-D in Debian Squeeze and Ubuntu Lucid.
The short version: It's been a struggle to get Xorg to work properly since the 2.6.18 kernel.
I've been persistent about keeping Linux and BSDs working on three laptops with Intel 830m chipsets, but how many users tried a live CD and were faced with a blank or artifact-marred screen and ran back to Windows? I bet many.
So I'm not piling on Ubuntu here. Despite all the marketing, at many levels they're taking Debian Sid (or Squeeze) and doing a bit of rebranding and bolting on a few features. In turn, Debian is taking what's happening in thousands of upstream projects and putting it together the "Debian" way.
Half of the fascination/angst over Ubuntu is the project's (and for-profit parent company's) own marketing. The other half is the fanboy army gushing over every new wallpaper.
I think Ubuntu is a great project - probably one of the best FOSS projects ever. But when you're on top (as Ubuntu is in the Linux distro world at this point), expect people to look at you and say what they think.
@devnet I've just read Mrs Devnet's experience of Ubuntu 5.04. Interestinly that pretty much sums up my thoughts after I tried it. BTW I was comparing it with Mandrake, not Windows.
@tracyanne
Odd how that happened with my wife so long ago yet most of the stuff is still valid today!
Odd how that happened with my wife so long ago yet most of the stuff is still valid today!
LL with integrated social networking, a mixed blessing
A few recent social networking-oriented reviews mention Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx's Me Menu and Gwibber (Gwibber described more fully at its mainsites http://gwibber.com/ and https://launchpad.net/gwibber )
From ComputerWorld's 'Ubuntu 10.04 'Lucid Lynx' released for social desktop, netbook' found at http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/344943/ubuntu_10_04_... :
From ZDNet's 'Can Ubuntu 10.04 "Lucid Lynx" lure the social crowd?' found at http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=8162 :
And yet, this very social-network integration tied-in with Lucid Lynx could end up as quite the mixed blessing.
Online behemoth Facebook has recently enacted its own controversial social-networking "improvements". As last week's eWeek piece 'Facebook Offers Social Plugins, Open Graph, Graph API at F8' describes it:
There are those who are concerned that users' privacy concerns are being effectively squashed by Facebook's Social Plugins and the use of the Open Graph Protocol. And squashed behind Facebook users' backs no less!
Partners such as Microsoft of all companies(!) may now be able to obtain, market, and distribute Facebook user information almost by default.
And Lucid Lynx's Me Menu and Gwibber could very well end up passively assisting erosions of privacy such as Facebook's recent "improvements".
From ComputerWorld's 'Ubuntu 10.04 'Lucid Lynx' released for social desktop, netbook' found at http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/344943/ubuntu_10_04_... :
Quoting:This Ubuntu release adopts a “social from the start” direction with desktop integration for popular online social networking services.
A new 'Me Menu' application lets people access Facebook, Twitter and other accounts directly from the desktop.
“Read and update your social networks. Connect to your chat channels and make updates through a single window. Being sociable has never been so easy,” according to the Ubuntu developers.
From ZDNet's 'Can Ubuntu 10.04 "Lucid Lynx" lure the social crowd?' found at http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=8162 :
Quoting:An app going by the odd name of Gwibber allows users to combine data from Twitter, Facebook, Digg and other online services. This microblogging app is built directly into the OS so users can boot and and hook into their data streams effortlessly.
No other OS, not Windows, not Mac OS X, not the even the “hyped to the heavens” iPhone and iPad platform, offers users so much social integration right out of the box. No additional software required.
It’s early days, but this OS could allow Linux to get an additional foothold in the OEM market, targeting a more mainstream user base. Courting social network enthusiasts could be a good move for Canonical and Ubuntu - because if the OS is popular, these people could be very influential and help spread the word to a new audience.
And yet, this very social-network integration tied-in with Lucid Lynx could end up as quite the mixed blessing.
Online behemoth Facebook has recently enacted its own controversial social-networking "improvements". As last week's eWeek piece 'Facebook Offers Social Plugins, Open Graph, Graph API at F8' describes it:
Quoting:The redesigned Facebook Platform now lets Website publishers build a bridge between their content and users' Facebook information. This includes a Like button available as one of Facebook's Social Plugins and the use of the Open Graph Protocol, which allows any Web page to become part of Facebook's social graph. More than 75 partners are launching Social Plugins of some sort immediately, and CEO Mark Zuckerberg says he expects these partners will serve more than 1 billion Like buttons. Zuckerberg also unveiled an integration between Docs.com from Microsoft FUSE Labs and Facebook.
There are those who are concerned that users' privacy concerns are being effectively squashed by Facebook's Social Plugins and the use of the Open Graph Protocol. And squashed behind Facebook users' backs no less!
Partners such as Microsoft of all companies(!) may now be able to obtain, market, and distribute Facebook user information almost by default.
And Lucid Lynx's Me Menu and Gwibber could very well end up passively assisting erosions of privacy such as Facebook's recent "improvements".
Quoting:And Lucid Lynx's Me Menu and Gwibber could very well end up passively assisting erosions of privacy such as Facebook's recent "improvements".
That very well may be true, but you opt-in to using Gwibber/Me Menu - you have to actively put your account information into the interface. I don't think Facebook is so nice about it; I believe you have to opt out of their new "pages" situation.
Truthfully, I can barely understand how Facebook actually works - and that underlying complexity makes me very wary of it.
Rubbish.
The "Me Menu" is nothing more than a drop down menu that contains a list of whatever social networking applications you have running. It does nothing by default.
The only "social" service I have is Ubuntu Cloud, so that's the only one that connects to anything by default, andthat's only because I set it to do so.
The Me Menu is the dropdown that well drops down when you click on the current user's name next to the shut down button.
The "Me Menu" is nothing more than a drop down menu that contains a list of whatever social networking applications you have running. It does nothing by default.
The only "social" service I have is Ubuntu Cloud, so that's the only one that connects to anything by default, andthat's only because I set it to do so.
The Me Menu is the dropdown that well drops down when you click on the current user's name next to the shut down button.
Out of curiosity:
Does the Me Menu support identi.ca ?
Does the Me Menu support identi.ca ?
Quoting:Does the Me Menu support identi.ca ?
Yes, it's one of the options under "Broadcast Accounts"
The other options are
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