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Linux Desktops will get killed by Microsoft this Christmas

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Lxer Day Desk; By Tom Adelstein, Editor in Chief
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LXer Day Desk: 11-25-2005

If you want a desktop or laptop and you want to move to Linux then you're cooked. You have very few options and retailers have used low-cost Linux systems to bait and switch users. So, why don't the major Intel vendors offer Linux? Short answer: Microsoft. The old monopolist still commands and makes demands on its OEM vendors.

What's worse? Unsuspecting PC buyers will be faced with the need to upgrade to Vista in the near future. So, that bargain PC from Dell will probably keep on costing you money. Do alternatives exist? We like to think so.

Linux provides you with a wonderful operating system and for the first time in over a decade, alternatives to Windows exist. If you could find a Linux computer from a name brand manufacturer you would save a lot of money. Microsoft will want you to upgrade to their next operating system no matter what you buy this Christmas.



What will you get when Microsoft finally delivers it next OS? You will get a copycat Mac OS X interface and untested kernels, file systems and program interfaces. Windows XP upgrades to Vista will cost you not only for the OS but you'll need new applications, drivers and many of your existing peripherals won't work. That means printers, scanners, digital cameras, network cards, etc. will become obsolete.



If you didn't go through the campaign of terror switching from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 a decade ago, then you cannot imagine the frustration you could experience. Microsoft said that 16 bit applications would continue to work with Windows 95. But Microsoft separated 16 bit applications from 32 bit applications in the operating system. 32 bit applications got the benefit of pre-emptive multi-tasking. But the 16 bit apps had to all share a single thread to the processor and used co-operative multi-tasking. The results were disastrous.



What about Windows XP. The peripheral manufacturers used the release of Windows XP as an excuse to stop supporting relatively recent models of their products. I have a new printer and scanner that don't work with XP but work perfectly under Linux. Going from Windows 2000 to XP wasn't such a huge jump for the peripheral manufacturers. Many just didn't support their products when Microsoft upgraded.



What About Linux



The major desktop and laptop manufacturers will put Linux on a server for you, but they fear reprisals from Microsoft when it comes to the desktop. Linux vendors like Red Hat and Novell have desktop versions of Linux, but they design them for business customers.



If you have put Linux in your list of options, Compaq, HP, IBM, Dell or Gateway won't offer you one configured for consumer use. If you walk into a CompUSA store, for example, they will tell you that they don't do Linux. That's right, they will not sell you the product you might want. Retail stores cannot tell you if a computer or even peripherals will work with Linux.



Though many people including me love Linux on the desktop, we generally have to either build our own computers or adapt existing systems to use Linux. That's not an easy chore for inexperienced users. That's probably why only 5% of desktop users have Linux.



You will not find name brand computers bundled with Linux. The desktops from Dell, HP, IBM and Gateway come with Windows. So, you want to avoid those systems. They will have problems right away and will have a short lifespan.



Fry's and Micro Center sell Linux computers in their retail establishments. Otherwise, you have to order Linux systems off the web. When at Fry's watch out for the bait and switch routine. If you don't know much about computer systems, they will say that you should buy a Compaq, HP or other manufacturer. So, be careful.



Many people will wind up with Linux for Christmas. You can buy Xandros, Linspire and Novell SUSE in retail stores. You'll just have to load them on your computer yourself or get a friend or relative to help you.



What about a Mac



If don't find a Linux system you like and the choice is between a Mac and Windows XP buy a Mac. If you want to buy a new system don't buy a new, old Windows one. Windows XP is five years old and riddled with security problems. Microsoft designed it to run on the Intel Pentium III not the hardware sold today.



The Mac has already achieved what Microsoft plans to deliver in 18 months. What will you get when Microsoft finally delivers it next OS? You will get a copycat Mac OS X interface and untested kernels, file systems and program interfaces.



You will also find that Apple computers have increased stability and integration because they limit and control their hardware configurations. That means Apple optimizes their operating system and native applications to work on their own hardware. That provides users with an advantage they will not necessarily see on systems where manufacturers like Dell assemble parts from various commodity bidders.



It might make you wonder though since the name brand manufacturers selling Windows with their systems have expressed serious indications of interest about selling OS X on Intel when Apple adds Intel to their product line next year. Don't hold you breath. Apple says that Mac OS X will not run on competitors's Intel platforms.



Apple has always had a superior product to the IBM PC. When it came to pricing, PCs cost less and could perform a lot of the same functions. When personal computers cost $4,000 to $5,000 people would forgo the spit and polish of Apple and buy IBM or IBM clones. Over time, Apple lost its rather large share of the personal computer market.



Personal computer prices today have come down so far, that we almost have a parity between Apple and the big five manufacturers like Dell, HP, Gateway, etc. For example, the iMac G5 starts at $1299. A comparable Dell XPS 400 runs about $1,338 and comes in a less attractive package.



The Low End of the Market



You will see even lower prices on Windows machines from Dell, Compaq, HP and Gateway at the low end of the market. This isn't where Apple wants to play. But, that's where Linux starts to kill Microsoft powered computers.



For example, Tiger Direct sells a Linux system for $299. Wal-Mart has Microtel Systems Computers for as little as $199.



Compare these systems to the Dell Dimension 3000 for $349 and Compaq Presario for $448 with Windows. You can price these systems at numerous retail outlets. The prices will vary. Just remember that whether you buy a low-end Dell, Compaq or Microtel that they all have basically the same parts inside. You pay for the name.



If you wish to scale down to lower priced systems on name brand systems, the Mac mini starts at $ 499 and a comparable Dell Dimension B110 with a $100 rebate starts about $579. The Mac will cost more than the Dell when you add a monitor. How much more depends on which monitor you choose.





Can You Spend a Little More?



If you want to spend a little more than low end Windows systems consider buying a Mac anyway. You'll get a much better computer. You can also run Linux on your Mac. Most Linux distributions will dual boot with OS X.



If you want a high-end system, buy a Mac. Again, you can run Linux on the Mac in dual boot mode. While commodity hardware systems from low cost leaders may seem attractive, they typically have poor quality control. You will "take your chances" when you buy a computer running Microsoft Windows. You may have to ship the system back to the manufacturer even though you bought the computer at your local Office Depot.



The prices for PCs have come down so much, that manufacturers and the retail stores that sell them, cannot afford to spend much time with their customers. They have to cut costs somewhere and they have done it in the service department. The business of retail computers has changed drastically in the last year.



Luckily, Apple still treats its customers pretty well. Listen to the Linux guys and if your choice is between Windows and Apple buy the Mac. My next computer will come from Apple and I already have my eye on it. Like in the Apple of my eye. Get it?



Next year might change the way the major Intel PC companies approach the market. I'm planning to boycott them until they stop cuddling up to the boyz in Redmond. They have plenty to prove and it starts with why they offer inferior Windows knowing that what they sell you today won't last when Vista comes calling.

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Linux/Mac Desktops will be killed by Microsoft

title should be more dark then you can post it to other mac sites , (digg.com) This should be more negative than really it is

If you want flames then let it be flamewars

I agree with you on this.
flamewars??? ohhhhh, pick me, pick me.....

I am finding that they do serve as a necessary evil. When applying logic and truth against blind Zealotry, it is interesting to watch the uncomfortable squirming. Especially if you demand them to counter your points. It's more funner than mud 'rasslin.
helios: That wiggling you see is only the blind Zealot's planting his butt firmly in his righteous throne. What point in applying applying logic and truth when these are totally irrelevant to any zealot worth his salt. I know it is immensely satisfying at times to go after one of these guys, but in the end, it's just a time waster.
jimf - perhaps wasted on a true Zealot. However, saner quieter types reading along might be affected in a positive sense to clear cogent arguments such as the one I read last night that helios wrote.
I have a friend who is a national talk show host...and no, I will not name-drop because, well...it just ain't right. He told me long before he was "discovered", something that has stuck with me until now.

"Fact is fact, truth is truth and it is brutal. You can only withstand the onslaught for so long."

I had that etched in real parchment and framed. It is mounted on the wall right over my computer desk at work and there is not a day I don't ponder those words. It may take time, but truth and fact will eventually heal Zealot blindness. Sad enough, it is also only a matter of time before the Zealot blinds himself again with the rusty implement of misinformation.

... saner quieter types reading along might be affected in a positive sense to clear cogent arguments...

It is understanding this truth that fuels me...my calculations are about 3 out of 20. Not good, but we'll take those 3. Nowhere to go but up I say.
TxtEdMacs: If you are talking about presenting logical arguments, no matter how harsh, in the face of zealotry, then I have to agree. But that isn't to my mind flaming.

all hardware is not equal- stoopid Dell and Gateway tricks

"Just remember that whether you buy a low-end Dell, Compaq or Microtel that they all have basically the same parts inside. You pay for the name."

And you pay for shoddy stunts like Dell changing the pinouts on the power supplies, so you cannot swap in an off-the-shelf PS, because it will fry your motherboard.

Compaq and Gateway like to use weird little power supplies with customized fasteners so that they cannot be replaced with off-the-shelf parts.

So you either have to cobbled up a clever hack, or pay through the nose for a name-brand part. There are other tricksy things that they do which I forget at the moment.
If you are thinking of upgrading something like a low end Dell, forget it anyway. With anything else, you may be able to recycle a few parts. Not so with Dell. Nearly everything on those things is proprietary. I seriously doubt that even the MB mounting is anywhere near standard.
Not so with Dell. Nearly everything on those things is proprietary. I seriously doubt that even the MB mounting is anywhere near standard.

The USB cables are even different.

I happened to be in a local computer repair shop. A customer brought a Dell in with a bad motherboard.

The shop's solution was to sell them a new generic motherboard+case+powersupply.
Not Compaq, A Compaq is an HP on the inside, the only thing that is Compaq on the whole machine is the case. With Dell and Gateway you will get whatever they were buying that week but not with a Compaq.

Don't believe me? open one up and look. HP motherboard, HP Hard Drive...

Yes there are lower line components and yes they do make it hard to upgrade the hardware, but they are HP components.

Besides, if you know how to upgrade an existing computer why not build your own and do with it what you want.

Dell and Gateway do not actually manufacture anything of their own, never have.

apple/powerpc hardware with linux preinstalled

I'm not sure if you can cut the apple tax from them [url=http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=hardware&submitimg[hardware][apple]=1]http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=har...[/url]

and there is an alternative (without apple tax) Open Desktop Workstation http://www.pegasosppc.com/odw.php

Some system vendors do support Linux

There are some companies out there that build Intel- and AMD-based systems they certify for Linux. Some of those systems look pretty good, have had great reviews, and are not priced too high. It seems like this is a good opportunity for them to get positive press.
I am adding info on a couple of computer providers. Well, the first is not really a vendor, but it shows there are some out there working to combat Microsoft's practice of luring users in poor countries into lock-in with the technology they donate. I have no personal experience with the other two, but have read some good things about them. Neither is cheap, but quality and cheap are usually mutually exclusive. At least neither sports the dreaded "Xxxxx recommends Microsoft(c) Windows(c) XP Professional" statement, which some big-name Linux hardware providers insist on putting on the web pages of their on-line stores, even on pages advertising Linux computers.

I have not found any good Linux hardware providers in Germany yet.

With respect to getting stores to sell Linux-compatible computers: Vote with your pocketbook. Vendors will sell it if people buy it.

Ubuntu has a hardware certification program in place: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/partners/certification/hardware

linuxquestions.org has a Hardware Compatibility List: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php

Distros may maintain a hardware compatibility web site. SuSE used to but I cannot find it any more.

Hardware Providers:

Company: One Laptop per Child (non-profit organization) with MIT Media Labs URL: http://laptop.media.mit.edu/ Location: USA Notes: Cannot be purchased. A charity program recently making the news with the goal of providing laptops for children in poorer places around the world. See their web-site for more information, including design decisions and info on distribution. The FAQs page is especially interesting. The computer will apparently include a version of RedHat Linux. I think the mission of this organization is laudable and it works to realize much of the vision behind Open Source software.

Company: EmperorLinux, Inc. URL: http://www.emperorlinux.com/ Location: Georgia, USA Notes: This company specializes in laptops and offers systems with Linux pre-installed. The Toucan, for example, is really a Lenovo Thinkpad.

Company: URL: http://www.monarchcomputer.com/ (for Linux info: http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=... ) Location: Georgia, USA Notes: This company sells computers for both Linux and Windows, but claims to have a high-level of hardware compatibility with Linux. It produces a high-end model "Ultimate Linux Box" for those wanting high-end systems and also has a sort of logo program to highlight computers that work with Linux. Systems come predefined, custom built, or the customer can buy the pieces. I read a review of a computer once in a Linux magazine and the reviewer gave it a very high rating on the quality of the system.
jwbr: Thanks for posting the information. I hope it helps some of our readers.

I'm thinking about the millions of people who will buy PCs this winter and will visit retail stores to do so. They will say, "I need a computer and I need to learn how to use it. What do you suggest Mr. Salesperson?"

And Mr. Salesperson will be like the lady who sold someone a system while I was watching. She said, "Don't forget to buy a virus program. Never buy a computer without one".

Being a little intrusive, I asked: "No matter what kind of computer it is?"

She replied, "Right, it doesn't matter what kind."

She didn't know about Macs or Linux. I felt sorry for the customer.
I am not impressed with http://www.monarchcomputer.com .

It looks to me like another advertise-Linux-and-spam-you-with-Microsoft site. They make you wade through Windows systems to find their Linux systems.

Their Linux offerings seem hidden and overpriced. They have not made my list yet.
Did you know that Linspire is having a 50% off sale for the next couple of days?

Linux and Black Friday

Has anybody seen online Linux hardware vendors with black Friday deals? I am looking to buy but I have a feeling that all the "deals" will be in the Microsoft world.

BTW, I did see that Fry's had their low-end Linspire box at $97.00!
I can recommend this Fry's machine. I have experience with three of them. My son, a friend of the family and myself have bought them. They need to have a CD burner if you need it. I put the emprex brand into them, (also from Fry's at $20) The only problem with any of the three has been an infant mortality when the hard drive died after two days. Fry's checked it, agreed that it was dead and pulled out a new box for me.

My son had an unused copy of XP Home that he installed on his machine, I installed Xandros on my friends machine dual booting with Win98SE, both play like a dream. I use my machine as an experimental machine, several hard drives with various distros. My main machine is dual boot with Win98SE, and Xandros.

My, my! are you sure about that $97 price? I have seen it as low as $159 on occasion. Maybe a black friday thing. I watch the Fry's ads ( I live in Dallas) but I'm in Florida on vacation this week.

They are $97 and they're pretty good boxes. Quiet and modifiable.

I stuck IGB DDR in mine and got a Zalman fan. I added a DVD Dual Format Burner. Those are on sale for $29.

I also put Ubuntu on it and wrote over Linxpire.

hungry capitalistic penguins

buy support or preinstalled machines from other places ( other that thouse who sell apple/microsoft products)

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/marketplac... and after that blog about it , tell your story
Thanks for the information. Hopefully people will use this space to direct others to places they can buy Linux pre-installed machines.

Here is my collection of links for Linux and no-OS

Sorry Mr. Dell you didn't make the list...

Yeah he did, but there is a well known and often-repeated adjective that proceeds the "list" he's on. It surely does not smell like any list I've written or read.
He didn't make "MY" list.

:^)
So busy was I trying to be witty, I failed to thank you for this list...I will publish it on Lobby4Linux if everyone approves.
Of course.

Also, this article and others are diggable.
So busy was I trying to be witty, I failed to thank you for this list...I will publish it on Lobby4Linux if everyone approves.

I approve. Please do.

Microcenter and Linux

Microcenter has a (singular) Linspire desktop in their main store in Columbus Ohio. No advertising about it other than a small place card listing the price. In other words Microcenter is pulling an OS/2 on Linux and I'm sure they have Microsoft's blessing to do it.

I noticed the machine last January. I took a look and found, well, nothing. No openoffice.org, no games, nothing. I sent an email to Linspire and they sent it off to their tech support asking if I needed assistance. I'd be glad to share the emails, I'm sure I still have them.

I know the drill. I bought one at the Richardson store just north of Dallas. Not much fanfair there either. But, I was really tired of bad motherboards from Fry's. It takes 5 times as long to return one as it does to buy one.

I bought the Power Spec and would up changing the power supply to quiet it down. I added a speed control to the fan, changed the hard drive and now it's pretty quiet. The Linspire was replaced immediately. I have around $300 in this one and it's fine.

I can't imagine someone buying one of the Linspire systems and using it. You have to sign up for their CNR program, pay extra money and then clean it up. That's still pretty much a hobbyist job.

It's the same situation at Fry's in DFW. Just has a little different looking case and a different label.



Microcenter advertises this one model in the Chicago Sun Times and the Chicago Tribune at least once a week.

They have two locations in the Chicago area.

They have also advertised linspire laptops on rare occasions.
I have purchased six of the low-end PowerSpec "Linspire" machines (model 1405 and 1415) and I use them in high-availability, Linux Virtual Server clusters to run applications such as Apache, JBoss and MySQL. I have four other PowerSpec computers as well. With the exception of one, all are running CentOS 4.2, which is a clone of RedHat RHEL4. The base price of $249 (or $299) is excellent for a computer that comes already assembled, in an all-metal case that opens with only two screws. Building them from scratch would cost me that much in labor at least. These machines use Biostar M7VIG-400 PRO motherboards with the KM266 chip set. They all work very well with Linux (I run them with 2 GB of RAM). I really like the build quality and appearance of these units.

I am going to be offering training workshops through my consulting firm aimed at Windows users who are looking for an alternative to Windows for their scalable server applications. I plan to use 50 of these PowerSpec machines (5 clusters of 10) in my workshops for participants to practice installation, configuration and load-testing of various application clusters. At under $500 per machine for a 2GB setup, these machines represent an excellent value. I am hoping to convince MicroCenter to sell them to me without Linspire, since I don't need it, reducing the cost even more. At least I don't have to pay the Windows Tax, which can be as much as $100 for an OEM license of XP.

It would be great if MicroCenter offered their PowerSpec line with a "no OS" option.

-Joe (joe_at_strongarch.com)
Quoting:It would be great if MicroCenter offered their PowerSpec line with a "no OS" option.


They have and I have one. Model # SBB1.

Everything but the hard drive and memory.
Thanks, Tom!

One of the things I like about MicroCenter is the ability to walk into the store and see the stuff before I buy it. I have been going to the Cambridge, MA store for a couple of years and they have been great. I will ask them about SBB1.

-Joe
Glad to help.

I really like them except for the way they price. They seem to have a lot of mail-in rebates.

"Superior" Macs

My housemate has a new (as of September) Mac, which he bought for video editing and 3D graphic/animation development (supposedly, the primary purpose for Macs these days). While it has some nice features, and the case is aesthetically pleasing, he has found it to be an exercise in frustration.

Apple support has been absolutely terrible, providing "fixes" that either cripple the already questionable performance, or telling people to live with the problem. Also, they have been well-known to remove threads from their official support message board if the issue is one they do not wish to recognize.

In terms of performance, a computer with dual processors and 4GB of DDR memory SHOULD have stellar performance, but in a side-to-side comparison with his old computer (a 1st-generation P4 with 768 MB of RDRAM), most functions were no better, and some were in fact slower!

Apple has long tried to sell itself as a sort of counter-culture phenomenon, but in truth it is more monopolistic and controlling that Microsoft ever could be. I would venture to say that Microsoft wishes it could BE Apple - Microsoft's repeated attempts to gain some domination of the PC hardware market, while damaging, have not been entirely successful.

Microsoft's O/S and applications may be buggy, but at least they usually admit to errors, even if it's quietly. Apple won't even admit they made an error when they chose a poorly-performing battery for several early generations of iPods, or that there is a real issue with their new iPod Nano's screen.

Finally, while the general populace may not be interested in assembling their own components in to a computer, what about those who DO have such an interest? Apple not only limits your customization options, but your upgrade path is narrow and short.

PCs, by their very nature, are closer to Open Source than Macs. IBM developed the original specs, and then opened things up to the market. While this obviously was a mistake for them, it's been a boon for the general populace. Without this, there would BE no "clone" machines, only the kind of monopoly that Apple now maintains.

Oh, and a Dell XPS system is a gaming-centric PC, so there's not much point in comparing it to a Mac G5, considering that there are few equivalent benchmarks to run the two against each other.

Ingram Micro has started to carry Linspire

This is significant since Ingram Micro is a distributor and there will be plenty of opportunities to build simple web front ends to their products. Soon the world will be flooded with linux desktops.
Quoting:Soon the world will be flooded with linux desktops.


How many times have I heard this over the last six years? I don't know. But, people said it when Red Hat struck a deal with Ingram Micro in 1999.

I'm not attempting to discredit the effort. It's human nature to have enthusiasm and see mental pictures of things going the way we wish. Now, turn those mental images into reality. It takes courage, persistence and hard work. You also need a lucky break along the way.
You are right, it is way to optimistic to say there will be a flood of linux computers. But this is a significant development since MS sells most of its software in the distributor channel, if this starts to erode, there will be further market share for Linux. Plus Linspire is mostly debian!

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